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Old 09-12-2013, 01:49 PM   #1
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I just read that Iowa State is going to open all of their lots to tailgating at 5:00 am for the rest of the season and that you will be able to begin lining up at midnight.

This begs a very important question.

What is the obsession at UNI with the 4 hour rule?

We have FAR less people tailgating and not packed in like crazy. Yet, if we start setting up early, we are guaranteed to have at least one, usually two, UNIcops come by to tell us we can't start drinking until noon.

It's ridiculous, UNI wants to build an atmosphere and yet does everything they can to throw up road blocks!
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because most Panther fans are down in Iowa City?
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sounds like a good question for Troy's Take... sent it in.
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Perhaps its due to other events taking place at the facilities like the Wellness and Recreation Center. But if that were the case why restrict tailgating in the West and South lots?
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I just read that Iowa State is going to open all of their lots to tailgating at 5:00 am for the rest of the season and that you will be able to begin lining up at midnight.

This begs a very important question.

What is the obsession at UNI with the 4 hour rule?

We have FAR less people tailgating and not packed in like crazy. Yet, if we start setting up early, we are guaranteed to have at least one, usually two, UNIcops come by to tell us we can't start drinking until noon.

It's ridiculous, UNI wants to build an atmosphere and yet does everything they can to throw up road blocks!
Where did you read that?
I thought it was only for the Iowa game this weekend. And the reason for that is because the line of cars/RV's waiting to get into the parking lot starts to block traffic on surrounding streets. Some years they have to open the lots at 2-3am because the traffic is too congested.

I don't think they will do this for all home games this year because the line to get in won't be that long. They will probably open at the standard 7am time for the remaining games.
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Where did you read that?
I thought it was only for the Iowa game this weekend. And the reason for that is because the line of cars/RV's waiting to get into the parking lot starts to block traffic on surrounding streets. Some years they have to open the lots at 2-3am because the traffic is too congested.

I don't think they will do this for all home games this year because the line to get in won't be that long. They will probably open at the standard 7am time for the remaining games.

Tweeted out by one of the Gazette Sports guys. Don't remember which one. Rob Gray?
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Tweeted out by one of the Gazette Sports guys. Don't remember which one. Rob Gray?
Interesting... Although, I still think it's false.
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I just read that Iowa State is going to open all of their lots to tailgating at 5:00 am for the rest of the season and that you will be able to begin lining up at midnight.

This begs a very important question.

What is the obsession at UNI with the 4 hour rule?

We have FAR less people tailgating and not packed in like crazy. Yet, if we start setting up early, we are guaranteed to have at least one, usually two, UNIcops come by to tell us we can't start drinking until noon.

It's ridiculous, UNI wants to build an atmosphere and yet does everything they can to throw up road blocks!
Makes sense to me--let people move on to state property at 5 a.m. to start drinking. Hopefully after a 2.5 hour game they will sober up before they drive home. Oh, that's right we want to build an atmosphere that will include drunkeness that leads to rowdiness and finally beligerence.
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Makes sense to me--let people move on to state property at 5 a.m. to start drinking. Hopefully after a 2.5 hour game they will sober up before they drive home. Oh, that's right we want to build an atmosphere that will include drunkeness that leads to rowdiness and finally beligerence.
You're right, I'd hate to have a 'belligerent' atmosphere like Montana, Appy, or any other big time atmosphere that has less restrictive tailgating rules.

BTW, the state would bear no liability. They aren't the ones selling the alcohol. In fact, I have been one of the more vocal people on this board against selling alcohol in the Dome and McLeod Center...
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Makes sense to me--let people move on to state property at 5 a.m. to start drinking. Hopefully after a 2.5 hour game they will sober up before they drive home. Oh, that's right we want to build an atmosphere that will include drunkeness that leads to rowdiness and finally beligerence.
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You're right, I'd hate to have a 'belligerent' atmosphere like Montana, Appy, or any other big time atmosphere that has less restrictive tailgating rules.
You are not seriously saying that letting people into the parking lots a few hours earlier will create an atmosphere like Montana or Appy, are you?
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You are not seriously saying that letting people into the parking lots a few hours earlier will create an atmosphere like Montana or Appy, are you?
Not saying that, but anything we can do to encourage people to be there and be around the program and to make it an event can only help.

We have to stop throwing up road blocks and giving people reasons to NOT come and be a part of the UNI family.
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Gotcha, keep up the good fight. I scratch my head trying to figure out why more people don't support such a successful program.
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yes, sitting around drinking booze in the parking lot provides such great support for the program.
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Gotcha, keep up the good fight. I scratch my head trying to figure out why more people don't support such a successful program.
It takes generations for this happen.
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This goes beyond just the tailgating issue, that just happens to be the latest in the string. And Jay, its not about the booze, its about the event. Its about being able to have a fun get together with friends and family without being hassled by an angry looking, over bearing, too big for her britches cop.

Look at Iowa, it has become ingrained in Hawk fans that regardless of game time you get to IC before dawn and set up and have a party. Why are we trying to stop that from happening? Why don't we want our football Saturdays to be an event that gets passed down for generations? We have to start somewhere, we're not going to build it in a day, a week, a season, or even ten seasons; but right now we're doing everything in our power to make sure it never happens. If you want to talk the talk about being major college football and a major university and major athletic department, you have to act the part.

Look at the ticket office debacles, ticket pricing, etc.

We have done too much in the past few years to keep people away. I am not saying we need to go back to the Hartzell method of giving thousands of tickets away, but we have to find the right things to get people to be UNI people.

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yes, sitting around drinking booze in the parking lot provides such great support for the program.
Why are you required to drink booze while tailgating?
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Why are you required to drink booze while tailgating?
it was my understanding that the people that complain about being "hassled" by the cops are being told not that they can't gather prior to the "4 hours before gametime", but that they can't openly drink alcohol.
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it was my understanding that the people that complain about being "hassled" by the cops are being told not that they can't gather prior to the "4 hours before gametime", but that they can't openly drink alcohol.
Should clarify.

Was told 'You guys can't be here yet, I'll let that slide this time, but don't let me catch you drinking. Don't do it next home game.'

BTW, we'll be there even earlier on the 28th...
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We will be cooking up breakfast on the 28th. They can politely F off. We are just some nice peaceful folks enjoying the lovely weather and hang out with some friends.
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it was my understanding that the people that complain about being "hassled" by the cops are being told not that they can't gather prior to the "4 hours before gametime", but that they can't openly drink alcohol.
The nuts and bolts of the conversation is about an existing rule which prohibits tailgating 4 hours prior to kickoff, not how the rule is enforced.

The rule creates a disincentive to come outside to tailgate prior to UNI games.

Nobody is claiming sitting around in a parking lot drinking booze provides support for the team.
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I agree the signs restricting tailgating are ridiculous-but we've never had a cop tell us to stop or not do it next game or anything like that.

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Look at the ticket office debacles, ticket pricing, etc.

for the rant...
I've heard all the rants about the ticket office, but never truly had issues until this year. We are trying to get 2 additional season basketball tickets next to our current seats and cannot do it. We call UNITix and it goes to an answering machine. The return calls come at 4:55 and if you can't answer, they are closed within 5 minutes of calling and you have to leave another message. This has been going on for 6 weeks. Complete disaster.

Back to the thread topic though....more needs to be done to encourage students to go out and tailgate. The North lot is getting a little more action, but still isn't what a student tailgate lot should be like. Tailgating needs to be encouraged. The more you get people to campus the better.
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I was told UNI had a no-tailgating policy my freshman year. No joke.
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I've heard all the rants about the ticket office, but never truly had issues until this year. We are trying to get 2 additional season basketball tickets next to our current seats and cannot do it. We call UNITix and it goes to an answering machine. The return calls come at 4:55 and if you can't answer, they are closed within 5 minutes of calling and you have to leave another message. This has been going on for 6 weeks. Complete disaster.

Back to the thread topic though....more needs to be done to encourage students to go out and tailgate. The North lot is getting a little more action, but still isn't what a student tailgate lot should be like. Tailgating needs to be encouraged. The more you get people to campus the better.
I've had my issues with UNItix. but I don't know if I've ever had to leave a message. Might have gone to voicemail once or twice, but I usually hang up and try back a few minutes later. Usually get someone on the line.
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We used to get the same treatment. When we lived in Ankeny, many times especially later in the season, our day began before dawn. We were extensive tailgaiters, packing the F-150 club cab to the gills and heading for UNI. We'd pack an awning, flags and pole, generator, games sirius boom box, tables crock pots, carpet, and depending on the season sides for enclosure, sometimes complete enclosure on those late season dates.

For the main course we'd bring a charcoal/wood smoker for hams, turkey, brisket, etc. Imagine our joy when we hit the lot and bailed out of the truck, each with our jobs to do for maximum efficiency so we could eventually socialize, when up steps the security officer threatening to make us leave. Yep, that happened more than once. We also got the line about no alcohol which we weren't doing, so we made a ritual out of conducting a countdown and saluting security with beers.

Think of it. Here are a truckload of alums and friends driving 110 miles and that is the welcome we get. I understand the role of security, to corral the unruly and keep order, but I think someone should actually be out of line (drunks, belligerents) before they are hassled.

If someone wants to show up with a bag of peanut butter sandwiches and a 6 pack of Coke, a couple of lawn chairs, and just came in from Waterloo 4 hours would probably do it. But it takes a good 45 minutes to get everthing set up and running, and you have to start breaking down about an hour before kick. So 2 hours and 15 minutes should do it?

Tailgaiting at UNI is amazing, I really miss it. They used to do things like cart TC around to get the crowd enthused, heck they ought to sent the marching band and cheerleaders through the crowd to enhance the atmosphere. As far as I'm concerned they can't do enough to promote the game day experience, as long as there is a seat without a kiester to go in it.

Heres the thing. I've always said this about Iowa, if it isn't mandatory, its prohiibited. The authorities are scared to death that someone will have a good time, or someone will be offended seeing others having one. Yes, keep order. Round up the troublemakers, drunks, etc. but leave the alums alone, and get rid of that ridiculous 4 hour limit.
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It is a generational thing and tailgating has seriously exploded since my group started tailgating there about 22 years ago. The number of people tailgating has seriously jumped by 1000%. There was our group and a group that had a UNI van that parked in the corner of the lot that is now the McLeod. We had a group of about 8 (still together by the way) and they had the same. So in that regard 9yr is right about it being generational. We are now well into the second generation of tailgaters in our group.
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The simple rule is 4 hours before game time. I'm sure if it was 6 most in this thread would want 8 and if it was 8 you would want 10. I can't figure this out other than that's America. A four o'clock game means you get there at noon, set up the grill, socialize, play some games and GO TO THE Game, what more do you want--oh wait, I've already answered my own question. I laugh at the people that feel it is their unalienable right "to want" and then get more. Talk about a grade school mentality.
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The simple rule is 4 hours before game time. I'm sure if it was 6 most in this thread would want 8 and if it was 8 you would want 10. I can't figure this out other than that's America. A four o'clock game means you get there at noon, set up the grill, socialize, play some games and GO TO THE Game, what more do you want--oh wait, I've already answered my own question. I laugh at the people that feel it is their unalienable right "to want" and then get more. Talk about a grade school mentality.
Have you ever been out at halftime and witnessed how many people don't even GO TO THE GAME? They come for the tailgating experience.
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Have you ever been out at halftime and witnessed how many people don't even GO TO THE GAME? They come for the tailgating experience.
What good do those people do for the program? If they're just looking for a place to get drunk outdoors why should UNI provide it.

I know there are many schools (one in this state even) where all the games are sold out and coming to tailgate is the best many fans can hope for and that's how they feel they are part of the program. But at UNI, where 25-50% of the tickets are unsold almost every game there is no point to having people come just for the "tailgate experience". I think you can safely assume those people are not PSC members or supporting UNI in any other way.
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What good do those people do for the program? If they're just looking for a place to get drunk outdoors why should UNI provide it.

I know there are many schools (one in this state even) where all the games are sold out and coming to tailgate is the best many fans can hope for and that's how they feel they are part of the program. But at UNI, where 25-50% of the tickets are unsold almost every game there is no point to having people come just for the "tailgate experience". I think you can safely assume those people are not PSC members or supporting UNI in any other way.
Right or wrong, why do you think that Iowa and ISU can sustain and grow the popularity of their programs? It's not about a winning a game, it's about 6 or 7 awesome Saturdays a year. If it were about the game, both of those programs would be screwed.

It's not about partying either. I grew up walking around Iowa City on game day because my parents and grandparents went there. As much as I love the panthers, I can't replicate that feeling at UNI, just like 1988 and born a Panther can't replicate it in Iowa City. That's what I mean when I say that's it's a generational thing. It has to be in your blood to truly become a tradition. Why try to limit that?
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