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Old 07-17-2015, 04:25 PM   #1
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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/sto...dies/30301673/

Same old sorry, always hate slanted comparison....not reporting how much taxpayer or student subsidies were provided over the same period that the show our $56M

"Among Iowa's three public universities, the University of Iowa hasn't given any state tax dollars or student subsidy to its athletics programs since 2007. Iowa State University athletics have been cut off from those sources since 2011.

But UNI has provided its athletics program more than $56 million in taxpayer or student subsidies over the past dozen years to cover what couldn't be raised through ticket sales, conference contracts, alumni donations, student fees and other sources."
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"Iowa fans cheer during the Hawkeyes' game against the University of Iowa at Kinnick Stadium in 2014."

Well done Register - journalistic integrity at it's finest. Also love how they throw out that $56 million number then quietly mention that it's over a DOZEN years (about $4 million a year).
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Of that $4 Million, the athletic department turns around and gives $1.7 Million right back to the general fund. It's really $2.3 Million.
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Of that $4 Million, the athletic department turns around and gives $1.7 Million right back to the general fund. It's really $2.3 Million.
Are you trying to tell me Deon Mitchell isn't coming to UNI without a basketball scholarship? Get outta here with that nonsense!
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"Iowa fans cheer during the Hawkeyes' game against the University of Iowa at Kinnick Stadium in 2014."

How hard is it to get things like this correct? It is just silly to allow mistakes like this.
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That's very strange that they picked 12 years as a time frame. Iowa and ISU have only been self supporting for 8 and 4 years respectively, so I wonder how much in student and taxpayer subsidies they each have provided their athletic programs over the past 12 years.

Maybe if UNI wasn't subsidizing the UofI about $20 million per year in disproportionate state funding it would't be an issue. Maybe if the register wasn't giving Iowa and ISU tens of millions in free publicity per year that UNI doesn't get their athletic programs wouldn't be so much more profitable. Maybe if all TV viewers were not more or less forced to subsidize the B10 and B12 whether they want to watch their athletics or not they would still be funding their athletics with taxpayer money. Maybe if Texas hadn't decided to throw ISU a lifeline a few years back they'd be in the MAC right now losing more money than UNI. Actually those last two aren't maybes.

It's a stupid effing article on a stupid effing subject, but what else would you expect from the dsm edition of USA today.
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Maybe if UNI wasn't subsidizing the UofI about $20 million per year in disproportionate state funding it would't be an issue.
Damn right.

I'd like to see the Register spend more time talking about the good things UNI has done with a backasswards funding model that benefits UI...and the politics behind that.

And I'd like to see the Register talk more about how UNI's athletic department gets more bang for the buck than UI and ISU combined.

And I'd like to see the Register talk more about what UNI athletics has done for the image and brand name of the school.

Perhaps UNI's success in hoops last year was getting under the skin of some folks who'd rather see us go away. So better throw a few shovels of !@#% on the purple.
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or all the non-iowan students the taxpayers subsidize at the University of Iowa.
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or all the non-iowan students the taxpayers subsidize at the University of Iowa.
I saw yesterday that they are going to pay an out-of-state part-time marketing specialist about $20,000/month. Hmm...wonder who they're trying to market to.
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I saw yesterday that they are going to pay an out-of-state part-time marketing specialist about $20,000/month. Hmm...wonder who they're trying to market to.
Meanwhile, ISU's enrollment is setting records. I'm not sure where the influx is coming from, but I'd guess the DSM area is at least partially responsible. I've heard some friend's kids complain that as a Freshman at ISU, it's like a high school reunion, since a ton of their classmates went there too. They didn't mean that in a positive way.

That was never the case when I was high school/college age. Sure, there were some people who went to ISU for engineering, but most everyone who wanted a business oriented degree went to Iowa, or out of state. ISU, at least around DSM, was primarily thought of as a Moo U type ag school. They've obviously done a good job of selling their biz school, and hyping the biotech programs that would appeal to kids from cities.
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Meanwhile, ISU's enrollment is setting records. I'm not sure where the influx is coming from, but I'd guess the DSM area is at least partially responsible. I've heard some friend's kids complain that as a Freshman at ISU, it's like a high school reunion, since a ton of their classmates went there too. They didn't mean that in a positive way.

That was never the case when I was high school/college age. Sure, there were some people who went to ISU for engineering, but most everyone who wanted a business oriented degree went to Iowa, or out of state. ISU, at least around DSM, was primarily thought of as a Moo U type ag school. They've obviously done a good job of selling their biz school, and hyping the biotech programs that would appeal to kids from cities.
A lot of the undergrads are non-residents (10+k of 28+k total), according to stats on the ISU site (http://www.registrar.iastate.edu/sit...ace-resf14.pdf). That is up from a 16+k/4+k ratio in 2004 (http://www.registrar.iastate.edu/sit...ace-resf04.pdf). In their College of Engineering, non-residents outnumber in-state undergrads and at the grad level dwarf the in-state for that college. That is a drastic change from ten years ago for CoE undergrads (http://www.registrar.iastate.edu/sit...ace-resf04.pdf).

Side note: the novel, "Moo" - a no-so-flattering look at a large, research, ag university by Jane Smiley was written by Smiley when she was faculty at ISU.
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This article was actually written by a writer for the press-citizen (Iowa City)!


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What an absolute embarrassing joke that the DMR is attempting to make this news again. Recycled garbage from 2008.

What UNI athletics receives in actual state funding is a small FRACTION of a single percent of the state budget. Attempting to make that into some type of "story" is tired and laughable.
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That guy has severe articles in the pass week about that same thing....
Must be on some kind of crusade, after their season tickets dropped off.
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The picture of tuttle stuffing the Iowa guy is nice though...
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I agree the article is crap but the question stands: In a world where most of the money is going to fewer and fewer schools, can UNI continue to survive at the D1 level. Things would be on a much more equal level if there was no Longhorn or Big 10 network. Now they can claim they are no longer suckling at the taxpayers teat anymore. But the perception is that UNI is still living off of taxpayer subsidies. Let's face facts. No matter how well UNI performs on and off the field we are still going to be 3rd in the hearts and minds of the media, the legislature and the citizens of Iowa.
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I agree the article is crap but the question stands: In a world where most of the money is going to fewer and fewer schools, can UNI continue to survive at the D1 level. Things would be on a much more equal level if there was no Longhorn or Big 10 network. Now they can claim they are no longer suckling at the taxpayers teat anymore. But the perception is that UNI is still living off of taxpayer subsidies. Let's face facts. No matter how well UNI performs on and off the field we are still going to be 3rd in the hearts and minds of the media, the legislature and the citizens of Iowa.
I guess I'm not seeing why the question is suddenly at issue? Has UNI not showed since 2010 when the Regents looked hard at this issue that they can be successful? They were Top 10 in the country in hoops last year and went 9-5 in football.

Stipends for basketball will be an additional expense...but not a game changer by any means. There was really never any doubt about stipends for football...it's not going to be part of the FCS model. No news there.

I don't think anyone on this board holds any illusions about UNI's position in the pecking order in this state. Regardless, I will still expect fair-handed reporting from the local media...especially when UNI's teams are loaded with Iowa kids.
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I guess I'm not seeing why the question is suddenly at issue? Has UNI not showed since 2010 when the Regents looked hard at this issue that they can be successful? They were Top 10 in the country in hoops last year and went 9-5 in football.

Stipends for basketball will be an additional expense...but not a game changer by any means. There was really never any doubt about stipends for football...it's not going to be part of the FCS model. No news there.

I don't think anyone on this board holds any illusions about UNI's position in the pecking order in this state. Regardless, I will still expect fair-handed reporting from the local media...especially when UNI's teams are loaded with Iowa kids.
I agree. I didn't read the article, but the headline made me think about the timing. Why dredge this back up now? Other than the usual cries of bias, does anyone here have a good answer to that?

Also, like it or not, the Big Ten Network exists because it's viable and profitable. I thought I remembered seeing some things about the Longhorn Network not living up to expectations, but I still think the Big 12 as we know it has a short shelf life.
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Despite the author's attempt to rally the pitchforks and push his agenda, almost all the interviewees (including former regents board members) spoke highly of the funding allocation and understood comparing UNI's funding model to UofI or ISU is silly.

Just about every quote was filled with understanding and general agreement about the funding our athletic department receives. The only people aligning with the author's drivel are whiny unimportant faculty members who have zero authority in this matter and one former student. Thankfully the real decision makers appear to have a good grasp on the reality of UNI's situation.

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"The fact that UNI doesn't have these resources available is not UNI's fault, but is rather the result of its not being in a major conference insofar as football is concerned," said Bob Downer, an Iowa City lawyer who served on the regents from 2003 until earlier this year.
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"Ben had a pretty balanced perspective on it," said David Miles, regents board president in 2010. "He certainly endorsed what we were attempting to do. He was trying to figure out the most reasonable way to do it, but he didn't want us to go too far, too fast."

Miles also pointed out that, compared with the other public schools in its conference, UNI provides among the lowest amount of subsidy to its athletic department.
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The fact that ISU and Iowa have hit the collegiate jackpot based simply on conference organization conducted over 100 years ago is the biggest irony in this whole debate.

The state is now freed of the financial burden required to prop up three D1 athletic departments, yet all of a sudden the one who doesn't get to cash $25MM lottery/network checks should magically figure out a way to carve-out 40% of its budget.
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Can't believe that we are having this much of a discussion on this small of a dollar amount in the three state schools' combined annual budget. Per Regent documents, in 2014 the budget between direct state support and tuition was +/- $1,261,532,844. $4M is 0.317% - $2.3M (loss without tuition payment to school for athletes at UNI) is 0.182% of combined budget.
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Right. Plus, the total amounts spent on advertising / promoting the schools should be listed, because athletic spending belongs in that category somewhat.
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I guess I'm not seeing why the question is suddenly at issue? Has UNI not showed since 2010 when the Regents looked hard at this issue that they can be successful? They were Top 10 in the country in hoops last year and went 9-5 in football.

Stipends for basketball will be an additional expense...but not a game changer by any means. There was really never any doubt about stipends for football...it's not going to be part of the FCS model. No news there.

I don't think anyone on this board holds any illusions about UNI's position in the pecking order in this state. Regardless, I will still expect fair-handed reporting from the local media...especially when UNI's teams are loaded with Iowa kids.
I think you answered your own question. Now, all of a sudden, athletes can get stipends.
Even though UNI is in a lower subdivision and plays basketball and other sports in a non-BCS conference we're going after many of the same players they are. It stands to reason that if a player is deciding between Iowa and UNI, getting a few extra legal bucks could tip the scales in favor of Iowa. If we were just competing against Illinois State or Drake or Missouri State for recruits,it wouldn't be a big deal.

It's not a matter of being successful. It's a matter of getting state funds for athletics while the other state institutions are self-sufficient. People who don't look at this in depth will wonder why UNI can't be self-sufficient if Iowa and ISU can. Like Kyle said earlier, the state is - until the Big 12 leaves ISU - free from subsidizing two of the three state schools. While two is good, three would be better. I don't live in Iowa any more but I keep my ear to the ground and like most states Iowa has budget problems. One of these days, they may decide that UNI has to be self-sufficient like the other two schools. Then what happens? Do they eliminate football? Does Jake leave for greener pastures? Drop down to D2 or D3?

I agree with everyone in this thread. It wasn't necessarily well written and coming from the Press-Citizen, it smells of bias. We should expect unbiased reporting but that doesn't mean we'll get it. It's nice we have a lot more Iowa kids than Iowa or ISU but all that is is a nice story. Like Seinfeld said, people root for laundry. I don't think we'd be any less happy with what the basketball team did if they were all from out of state. Would ISU fans have been any more happy with what the basketball team did if they were all Iowans? I doubt it. When it comes to budget cuts, having a successful program with Iowans won't matter.
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There are no proposed budget cuts.

UNI made their decision on stipends months ago...hoops yes, football no. Manageable both competitively and financially. (There may be no athletic dept in the country more adept at managing through those kind of decisions...they live with that every day.)

D2 or D3...not remotely on the table.

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