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Old 11-05-2016, 08:02 PM   #1
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Somewhat surprising.

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This brings nothing to the MVFC. Terrible.
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Ugh. Why?...
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Most likely because the Summit needs them for some reason, and since most of the MVFC members are now in the Summit....we need to help them for the MVC's sake or something.
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How long until NDSU leaves? I'd rather have UND replace them than Drake.

Maybe Northeast Missouri State or Pitt State (KS) will make a move to D1 at some point.
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How long until NDSU leaves?
Not likely to happen any time soon, barring some major restructuring of the football landscape.

YSU leaving for an eastern conference or one of the underfunded programs dropping football entirely is more likely than NDSU leaving.
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How long until NDSU leaves? I'd rather have UND replace them than Drake.

Maybe Northeast Missouri State or Pitt State (KS) will make a move to D1 at some point.
Drake would never join, they don't offer scholarships.
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Drake would never join, they don't offer scholarships.
I know that. It was a comparison. I don't know the other teams in the Pioneer League but it's a possibility one could choose to offer scholarships and move to the MVFC.
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This would look even more like the old North Central D II conference from the '60s-70s (my era!).

Pretty big conference for no divisions. (No conference title games in FCS.) Would be even further from a round-robin schedule.


We already have eastern members that have limits on their number of road trips to the Dakotas.
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How long until NDSU leaves? I'd rather have UND replace them than Drake.

Maybe Northeast Missouri State or Pitt State (KS) will make a move to D1 at some point.
If anyone did leave we don't NEED to replace them.
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Why would Youngstown, Indiana State, Missouri State, and Southern Illinois vote to approve this move? It doesn't help any of them that I can tell.

What does it benefit UNI, truly? Does it increase our brand recognition? Will it draw more fans to the Dome? Will it reduce our travel budget? Will it improve our recruiting?

I'd argue that it doesn't help with any of those things I mentioned. And I don't see where it benefits the conference. It's already tough as nails. All the benefit would be in Grand Forks as far as I can see it.
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Wondering if it's a sign WSU could be knocking and want to keep even #?
I'm just wondering. I, of course, have no idea what I'm talking about.
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Wondering if it's a sign WSU could be knocking and want to keep even #?
I'm just wondering. I, of course, have no idea what I'm talking about.
WSU is not knocking. LOL
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CLENZ keep up the NO to UND chat on AGS..

its ridiculous for the MVFC to add them, all they did was talk crap for last 5 years about the league, then they wanna come begging back?

screw them, they are the worst people on earth, the racism & child porn professor ring are just tip of the iceberg on the scum up there.

plus who wants to fly to Fargo then drive 80 miles north? and back after the game,.


email your AD/president. they are the ones getting ass smooched by the Canadians.
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Wondering if it's a sign WSU could be knocking and want to keep even #?
I'm just wondering. I, of course, have no idea what I'm talking about.
there is no reason I can think of why having an even number matters.
no point in having divisions in an FCS football-only conference.
and with football, there is no need for "travel partners"
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It would be highly unlikely for the worst people on earth to live next door to the greatest people on earth. On the plus side UND does pass the basic intelligence test of knowing how to pronounce their team name correctly. Or are they the fittin hayaks?
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It would be one more indoor game. MVFC, the new arena league.

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It would be highly unlikely for the worst people on earth to live next door to the greatest people on earth. On the plus side UND does pass the basic intelligence test of knowing how to pronounce their team name correctly. Or are they the fittin hayaks?
Maybe they do, and lakes is just confused about which side is which.
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Default UND to MVFC and Summit (no one really cares about the 2nd part)

It is being widely reported that UND is making a strong push to become a member of the MVFC and Summit (again no one cares about that), and that there is better than a 50% chance of it happening. I know that the Bison fans, especially Lakes are having a fit about this, what are your guys thoughts.
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They bring literally nothing to the table. There's no reason.
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Maybe if we were a hockey conference
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It is likely to bring UNI nothing but grief in FB.

The rotating schedule will likely place is in the West, playing the Dakota teams each year. Unless something seriously changes, this side of the league seriously stacked, while the East group would be pretty easy.

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It is likely to bring UNI nothing but grief in FB.

The rotating schedule will likely place is in the West, playing the Dakota teams each year. Unless something seriously changes, this side of the league seriously stacked, while the East group would be pretty easy.

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It's the Big Ten in reverse. Imagine Western Illinois coming out of nowhere, going 10-0, then getting absolutely clobbered (and exposed) by Cal Poly in the FCS playoffs. Where have I heard that before?

Is there anyone out there who would make a good addition if the conference added a member? Eastern IL is about the only viable candidate I can think of. A school moving up to the scholarship level of FCS wouldn't seem prudent given the uncertain landscape of college football 5-10 years from now.
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I know that. It was a comparison. I don't know the other teams in the Pioneer League but it's a possibility one could choose to offer scholarships and move to the MVFC.
Teams are more likely to move in the other direction in this day and age
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Not really. Who was the last program to move from scholarship football to non-scholarship?

The Northeast Conference allows 40 athletic scholarships, however, they can give equivalent aid to get to the FCS limit of 63.

The Patriot League, starting this year, offers up to 60 scholarships. 3 years ago none of the schools were allowed to offer any scholarships.

There are very strong rumors that the Pioneer League *could* be in trouble moving forward as it sounds like Campbell, Jacksonville, Stetson could be on the move to the Big South - scholarship football. Nothing is imminent, but the rumors are gaining steam as time moves on.
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Not really. Who was the last program to move from scholarship football to non-scholarship?

The Northeast Conference allows 40 athletic scholarships, however, they can give equivalent aid to get to the FCS limit of 63.

The Patriot League, starting this year, offers up to 60 scholarships. 3 years ago none of the schools were allowed to offer any scholarships.

There are very strong rumors that the Pioneer League *could* be in trouble moving forward as it sounds like Campbell, Jacksonville, Stetson could be on the move to the Big South - scholarship football. Nothing is imminent, but the rumors are gaining steam as time moves on.
Interesting. On the surface, I would agree with Mudra, that the math doesn't make sense to move towards the scholarship FCS level. Have you heard/read why these teams are doing so?
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Interesting. On the surface, I would agree with Mudra, that the math doesn't make sense to move towards the scholarship FCS level. Have you heard/read why these teams are doing so?
Patriot League wants to be competitive on the national scene. They did fairly well using no scholarships. Once they figure out how to balance 60 scholarships they could be pretty good. Next up for them is redshirting, which they don't do.

With the Big South losing CCU, and Liberty always trying to get out, stability is needed. They aren't going to pull any SoCon or CAA teams. The best bet is to land teams that are PFL and play in the A-Sun conference and that type of thing. Many of those schools have been dinged for "impermissible aid" (Jacksonville) or have stated they have looked at scholarships. The Big South and A-Sun just came out with an agreement about 2 months ago saying "Should any A-Sun team want to play scholarship football they will be guaranteed a spot in the Big South". The math isn't hard to do on that one. Those schools include Jacksonville and Stetson. Campbell is a Big South member is all other sports and has a ton of support for their program compared to most of the PFL. They could be a legit Big South team if they tried. Kennesaw State is/has been ASUN but they started football and will be going SoCon. I think eventually we will see a full merger between the ASUN and Big South out of self preservation.
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They bring literally nothing to the table. There's no reason.
BOOM and they ripped on mvfc for years. f them

eastern school wont vote for it
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Pioneer League Campbell, long rumored to be a program looking to add scholarships, has schedule an announcement for Monday that they have tabbed at major.

Could be a big letdown or another scholarship program
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Pioneer League Campbell, long rumored to be a program looking to add scholarships, has schedule an announcement for Monday that they have tabbed at major.

Could be a big letdown or another scholarship program

What are you thinking?
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They are going Big South.

Campbell's president hasn't hid their desire for scholarship football. Big South needs programs and Campbell is already Big South in all other sports.
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In the last 6 years Campbell has gone from this

this (before this it was this but with old, poorly maintained grass)
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To this
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I didn't link them as photos due to their size


I get the concept that money is tight everywhere so it would seem like schools are more likely to reduce scholarships than add, but that simply isn't the case, at all. We are seeing a "keeping up with the Joness" to some extent, even it it's a "We can't completely keep up but we are going to get as close as we can". Campbell is probably just the first of a handful of PFL teams over the next few years. Since the PFL has gotten their autobid every year they have had to have their champion be disqualified from taking it due to giving athletes improper benefits - re: scholarhsips

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In the last 6 years Campbell has gone from this

this (before this it was this but with old, poorly maintained grass)
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To this
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I didn't link them as photos due to their size


I get the concept that money is tight everywhere so it would seem like schools are more likely to reduce scholarships than add, but that simply isn't the case, at all. We are seeing a "keeping up with the Joness" to some extent, even it it's a "We can't completely keep up but we are going to get as close as we can". Campbell is probably just the first of a handful of PFL teams over the next few years. Since the PFL has gotten their autobid every year they have had to have their champion be disqualified from taking it due to giving athletes improper benefits - re: scholarhsips
Interesting. All you need is one BIG $ donor to build this infrastructure. I know many hate the addition of Loyola, but they're whole infrastructure was primarily built by one guy who has his name on a few buildings. Keep in mind you're talking a school with some high $ programs (law, medicine, etc.), and yet this guy dwarfs the rest of the cash coming in. I'll bet Campbell is the same. This probably isn't the dream of some school administrator.
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