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Old 05-31-2011, 09:41 PM   #36
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remember, tressel was still the new guy when this all came out with Clarett. there probably was actually a point when he "didnt know who to call". it was obviously going on far before he got there.
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:57 PM   #37
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I really like the comparison to Nixon and Watergate. Truthfully if Nixon would have stepped up after Watergate happened and explained to the U.S. what happened he would have probably been alright and kept his job. The covering up of Watergate is what eventually led him to resign as the President. I think Tressel would have came forward when things happened and not lied to the NCAA, he would have been punished, but he would still be the coach in Columbus.
He might still be the coach, but his program is potentially going to get hit with hefty penalties over the car dealership stuff. Penalties that might take awhile to recover from. Tats are one thing, sweatheart deals on cars for players and their familes is another.
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:26 PM   #38
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remember, tressel was still the new guy when this all came out with Clarett. there probably was actually a point when he "didnt know who to call". it was obviously going on far before he got there.
Clarett came in after Tressel...not the other way around.

Saying you don't know who to report NCAA violations to at a NCAA school...when you're the head coach and been coaching since the 80's....is like blaming drug use and alcohol abuse on concussions. It's just fracking stupid.

I believe each school in the NCAA has an employee that is actually is called the "Compliance Director"....seems pretty self explanitory to me.

Or he could just go to the AD, and he certainly would know where to go with it.
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Old 05-31-2011, 11:39 PM   #39
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As big as Ohio State's Athletic Department is I would bet that they have one specifically for the football team. Tressel has done a great job of playing the lovable sweater wearing figure for a long time, when for a long time his has been playing outside of the rules, I would suspect that some of this happened at Youngstown to a smaller scale. You know since he left there the Penguins have beaten the Panthers.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:01 AM   #40
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I know clarett came after. You are missing my point.

Tressel walked into a established history of boosters and players exchanging perks and benefits at one of the biggest programs in the universe. To me Looking the other way is much less serious than auburn straight up paying cash for a player and then winning a title.
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Read the article 9yr. Tressel did not simply "look the other way".

He facilitated a lot of the wrongdoings by the football teams/programs that he has lead throughout his entire career.
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Old 06-01-2011, 01:36 AM   #42
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Read the article 9yr. Tressel did not simply "look the other way".

He facilitated a lot of the wrongdoings by the football teams/programs that he has lead throughout his entire career.
+1 yeah it gives some really good insight into the situation. You're too caught up on the whole Cam Newton thing and which one is worse. No one cares about that anymore, Newtons gone, his dad is a git, Chizik is a dou**er and soon everything will be right with the world and Chizik will be back to losing. Tressel has been covering stuff up for years, allowing players to play in games that could've altered seasons for OSU and their opponents, won them conference championships and bowl games to bring in some serious cash and recruits and start the whole cycle again.
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The thing that cracks me up about all of this is how un-believably naive some of you are to think this stuff doesn't go on in EVERY college town across the country. Maybe not to this extent, but it happens everywhere. Is Tressel to blame? Sure, but the car dealers are to blame too, the tatoo parlor owners too. They are the ones that have everything to gain, and nothing to lose.

To say this has altered others season and abilities to win conference titles is silly. This happens in IC, Ames, even Cedar Falls. Again, not to this extent but there are "perks" to every single program in America. Maybe not facilitated by the coach mind you, but perks everywhere. It might be as simple as having a $85 pizza a beer tab wiped out at the OP on a Saturday night after a game, to getting "sweat heart" deals on cars at dealerships.

All of these people in the community want to be part of something in communities like Columbus, Iowa City, and yes even Cedar Falls. The people that need to have things looked at are the local businesses, AND the coaches.

Things got too big in Columbus so obvisously things start being looked at with fine tooth combs, things have gotten big in Iowa City in the last 7-8 years, look at all the people who have been picking through that program since then. You think there haven't been football players committing crimes in IC before then? Sure, but now success rings and people open their eyes a little bit. Its not that players at Illinois haven't committed crimes or rules violations in the last decade, its that no body cares because they aren't relevant. Things go wrong in Cedar Falls, Ames, Youngstown, all over, people don't care about these places so no one is willing to do the dirty work of writing the "Farley must be fired" article...
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:10 AM   #44
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Been a while since my last PN rant, that felt good...
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It isn't the crime that bothers me that much, as I realize this type of thing happens pretty much everywhere. The thing that bothers me is the scale of it, and the cover up. The cover up is always worse than the crime. Especially given Tressels history
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Well said, Jeg. If every college had a beat writer with one tenth of the journalistic integrity and talent as the guy who wrote the SI article, we would see dozens of stories just like this every year.

The problem with sports journalism (and most journalism) today is that everyone just wants to get along and be buddy-buddy with the school or person/government they are assigned to cover. They think they will be the first to "get the scoop" if they are friendly with the program. In the end, they usually just end up serving as an extension of the Sports Information department.
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Old 06-01-2011, 09:39 AM   #47
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I have yet to hear a single national commentator fail to admit that this happens everywhere. It is a story at OSU, Auburn and USC not because of success alone, but because people got brazen about it. Writers aren't doing expose's at every school because they have their cheating under control and nobody is willing to say where the bodies are buried.
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I have yet to hear a single national commentator fail to admit that this happens everywhere. It is a story at OSU, Auburn and USC not because of success alone, but because people got brazen about it. Writers aren't doing expose's at every school because they have their cheating under control and nobody is willing to say where the bodies are buried.
That is probably true, but you would have to admit there is a fair amount of "looking the other way" by the media these days. I shouldn't just blame the reporters though... Editors and publishers are probably very unwilling to run with stories that would upset a significant portion of their subscribers.
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All I can say is this story is that it will totally F up my Fulmer Cup pool - I had Auburn as a repeat champ, but the Vest has blown that all to h***.
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That is probably true, but you would have to admit there is a fair amount of "looking the other way" by the media these days. I shouldn't just blame the reporters though... Editors and publishers are probably very unwilling to run with stories that would upset a significant portion of their subscribers.
This is an interesting area. I think some media are happy to cover for a school, especially the rivals type services that need to beg for access. I think some are happy to take the big story, even if it costs a favorite program. The "media" took down SMU. The Register has, from time-to-time, been hard on Iowa and Iowa State.

Most of the lack of coverage I believe can be summed up in my earlier post (and is also in part attributable to bad and lazy reporters - our J-schools are a mess, and I say that as someone with a lot of friends and acquaintences in that business), but unquestionably there are media organizations happy to carry the water for a school.
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100% agreed Jeg. I just think that when you find it, throw the book at the perps. It won't cure the problem, but who cares?

IMO, dig into Ohio State like there's no tomorrow and root out whatever is there. The scrutiny exposes two things: 1) that Tressel is a hypocrite for his pious, religous, and above it all act. 2) that Big Ten ethics can potentially be as bad as those in the SEC, ACC, etc. All in all, I think the Big Ten is more ethically sound than the SEC, but not to the point that the Big Ten in John Paul II, and the SEC is Adolf Hitler. That's what some blindly fanatic Big Ten fans would have you believe.
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I just think that when you find it, throw the book at the perps.
This is true. The only way to get college athletics back under control is to make punishments severe enough to scare programs in similar positions into cleaning up their act. If this means bringing back the death penalty so be it.

If the NCAA starts imposing program altering sanctions like multi year TV and bowl/postseason bans along with complete scholarship losses, the current state of college athletics will begin to change for the better. Programs will realize the benefits of cheating do not outweigh the risks.
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Thought: If this Ohio State scandel runs as deep or even deeper than SI has reported, do we think the NCAA will give them the "death penalty" like SMU got? I'm not saying they will or they should or vice versa, I'm just curious as to what everyone else thinks.
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Thought: If this Ohio State scandel runs as deep or even deeper than SI has reported, do we think the NCAA will give them the "death penalty" like SMU got? I'm not saying they will or they should or vice versa, I'm just curious as to what everyone else thinks.
I think that they might "be too big to fail."
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This happens in IC, Ames, even Cedar Falls. Again, not to this extent but there are "perks" to every single program in America. Maybe not facilitated by the coach mind you, but perks everywhere. It might be as simple as having a $85 pizza a beer tab wiped out at the OP on a Saturday night after a game, to getting "sweat heart" deals on cars at dealerships...
Agreed Jeg. A thought comes to mind of Steve Alford's day in IC. Recall stories of entitlement attitude?
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Agreed Jeg. A thought comes to mind of Steve Alford's day in IC. Recall stories of entitlement attitude?
as long as we are using inaccurate, inapplicable analogies, i would like to compare this tOSU case to the GM bailout.
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as long as we are using inaccurate, inapplicable analogies, i would like to compare this tOSU case to the GM bailout.
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I think that they might "be too big to fail."
Wasn't the bank bailout close enough for you?
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I would like to see Ohio State get the death penalty personally just to set an example for other schools, but it will never happen, they bring in more money than any other NCAA school.

That fact comes from my cousin who is a VP at LRG, the licensing firm in charge of many schools including UNI.
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i dont think their violations warrant the death penalty.
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This will have to end up being a lot bigger than we know right now for OSU to get the death penalty.
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i dont think their violations warrant the death penalty.
Check out this column from Dan Weztel @ Yahoo Sports. The crux of the column is a crazy allegation that Pryor was depositing checks from a banned OSU booster.

As pointed out in the article, and previously unknown to me, schools have access to scholarship players' bank records. Wow, there's a deal with the devil to get an education.
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