Re: Open Practice, April 15th
Failure to learn from history will doom you to forever repeat it.
Continuing to run the same failed offense will continue to get us 5-6, no playoff, seasons and continue to piss the fan base off even more. Continue to drive those who care about the program further away as it is clear to effort to make things work is happening beyond lip service.
I've said, repeatedly, that the talent on this time right now is extrodinarily high. The combination of size, speed, and strength, probably hasn't been this high since 07-08. None of it will matter if we continue to run an offense that has produced zero results the last few years.
Last year, in 4 games, Dunne threw for more yards than the other 7 games we played combined. You want to know what we didn't see much of in those games? The read option. The front ride on hand offs. Putting the QB in a situation to get crushed - until we decided not to play an OL against SDSU.
2015 was a complete aberration of no one knowing how to stop Bailey from running the ball. The offense wasn't good. There was just no film on Bailey. Completed 50% of our passes and averaged less than 150 per game passing - that's Tim Tebow in the NFL numbers.
2014? Remember when we decided that DJ didn't need to touch the ball more than 9 times per game through the first 7 games of the season? We didn't start winning until his touches went up to 29 per game. That years passing was even worse than 2015 because we had Carnes "throwing" passes.
2013? Carnes and Kollmorgen splitting time running a read option look. We finished 7-5. Sure, injuries decimated this team, but the offense was putrid outside of DJ as the season went on. Won the 4 four games of the season - 2 of which were poor excuses of D1 teams - and then went 3-5 in conference play
2012 is the one chance to point out "Passing stats don't lead to Ws". The team went 5-6, but Sawyer broke damn near every freshman passing record in UNI and conference history. 2012 was a weird year. Took Wisconsin and Iowa to the wire, but couldn't make stops on defense. Probably the worse defense we've had in a decade. D2 Central State and WIU will skew the stats but the defense gave up more than 26 points in 6 games that season, and more than 30 4 times. We had 3 games with over 300 yards passing and 6 with 250 or more. The games we didn't have many yards? NDSU's incredible 2012 defense, SDSU where we ran the ball 43 times, WIU where we ran 42 and USD where we ran 43.
The fact is, the offense has been horrendous with this attempt of a read/zone option Farley has been trying to force the team into. How do we know it's Farley? We've had Salmon, Verduzco, Davis and Mahaffey all call plays since 2012 yet nothing about the offense has changed. Pretty interesting to have that many different people calling plays and yet have nothing different about it - especially Davis who wanted to run 70-80 plays per game and whos teams average 40-45 pass plays and 35-40 run plays per game. Davis was the OC in 2015. The year we averaged less than 150 yards passing at a 50% rate. What do Davis's other QB's look like? Well in year 1 at Fordham his QB was named to the All League team and Fordham ranked 18th in the FCS for passing yards at 270 yards per game and had an efficiency rating of 155.96 - which was top 10 in the country. As a team they averaged 498.2 yards per game, which was fourth in the country, and averaged 40.1 points per game which was also fourth.
Go back to his days before UNI. At Shippensburg he averaged 335 yards passing, 37.4 points per game and 465 total yards of offense. Prior to his time at Shippensburg? D3 Wheaton where he averaged over 400 yards per game, 318 yards passing and 35 points.
Face it. Our offense will literally never change under Farley. Never. Why? Who knows. He's infatuated with this system that he never played in and never even tried to implement for his first 9 years as a coach. Something got to him and said "We MUST force this system in to UNI. We will no longer do what upper midwest teams do best (be big, strong and run people the hell over and then open the top with the deep ball). We are going to do what teams in the south do - spread everyone out and run an option play. The only time it worked was a QB from Florida, who may be one of the most hated QBs in UNI history. At least he was able to run that kind of offense.
It's not about a budget. It's not that we can't afford to change the offense or bring someone in to change it. We've done that. It scared the living **** out of Farley. It's well documented that a live scrimmage in Denver was stopped by Farley while he and Davis had words. After that the offense went right back to what we had before Davis came in - and then Davis left to a place that would allow him to run his system.
Yes, I'm extremely negative regarding the offensive staff. They are staff that produced mediocre, at best, results at bad programs. They are coaches that haven't been able to maintain their position at their previous schools. Maybe that is a product of their schools and not them. I'll grant all of them that, I really will. However, the reality is, a program like UNI diving to UC-Davis and Tennessee Tech for coaches isn't a sign that offensive coaches really want to be here.
Maybe it won't be a read option. Maybe the just want Dunne to carry out the read look on every play so they can lull the defense into thinking it won't happen and then spring it once or twice a game in big spots. Maybe. Dunne running the ball more than 2, MAYBE 3, times per game (outside of scrambles) should be grounds for getting someones ass fired.
Want to know what's interesting? Since the end of the spring game, and this has been discussed on here, 4 or 5 plays from the UNI football twitter feed have been deleted. All of them show a front read look with Dunne carrying out the option run look. Maybe that's coincidence. Maybe they saw how people reacted on Twitter to that look and were doing some PR coverage.
As far as yards/stats from the game? I wouldn't read a ton into it. Stats are probably kept at the point the play was blown dead, which many times wouldn't have been where the player was tackled. The passes appeared to be a decent mix of short/mid/long. There is one play that sticks out where Isaiah Weston grabbed a quick WR screen and would have gone to the tune of 60-70 yards for a score, but the refs blew it dead as soon as a hand touched him, but it wouldn't have been a tackle. Rima bobbled and dropped a deep 9 route over his shoulder that would have been 30-40 yards. That play has also been deleted from the Twitter feed. It would have been difficult, but it is a play I think Rima probably makes 70% of the time.
With the speed/skill we have at the skill positions we need to have different screens. We need stick routes, jail break, bubble, etc... Get the ball in the playmakers hand. Throwing those, even if smaller yardage happens, opens up the hitch and go. It opens up a pump to the screen and a TE (what are those?) dumping off the back edge into the spots the LB and S vacated with 10-15 yards of space to pick up. Antonio Brown and Julio Jones are fantastic at this. Screens can also hide deficiencies in the OL. Don't have to protect the QB as long and even if a screen picks up just 3-5 yards it's as good as a run play but forces the defense to stay spread. This can allow for the fake screen lead draw.
Yes, maybe I'm too hypercritical right now. Maybe, HOPEFULLY, I'm wrong. Nothing would make me happier than being wrong on this. There is just so much history telling me I'm likely more right than wrong.
I get people leaving the board because of people like ban_basketball, spanishmoon, P100. They didn't try to discuss facts or anything relevant to the discussion. I'm willing to talk about the issues the programs are having, but am willing to do the work to find backing for what I'm saying. That doesn't sit well in most message boards. It doesn't allow for a straight opinion discussion. It means that thought bubbles can/are burst and more effort is required to discuss the topic. If someone not being happy with the direction of the program causes you to leave, then so be it.
Originally posted by Luckycat
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Continuing to run the same failed offense will continue to get us 5-6, no playoff, seasons and continue to piss the fan base off even more. Continue to drive those who care about the program further away as it is clear to effort to make things work is happening beyond lip service.
I've said, repeatedly, that the talent on this time right now is extrodinarily high. The combination of size, speed, and strength, probably hasn't been this high since 07-08. None of it will matter if we continue to run an offense that has produced zero results the last few years.
Last year, in 4 games, Dunne threw for more yards than the other 7 games we played combined. You want to know what we didn't see much of in those games? The read option. The front ride on hand offs. Putting the QB in a situation to get crushed - until we decided not to play an OL against SDSU.
2015 was a complete aberration of no one knowing how to stop Bailey from running the ball. The offense wasn't good. There was just no film on Bailey. Completed 50% of our passes and averaged less than 150 per game passing - that's Tim Tebow in the NFL numbers.
2014? Remember when we decided that DJ didn't need to touch the ball more than 9 times per game through the first 7 games of the season? We didn't start winning until his touches went up to 29 per game. That years passing was even worse than 2015 because we had Carnes "throwing" passes.
2013? Carnes and Kollmorgen splitting time running a read option look. We finished 7-5. Sure, injuries decimated this team, but the offense was putrid outside of DJ as the season went on. Won the 4 four games of the season - 2 of which were poor excuses of D1 teams - and then went 3-5 in conference play
2012 is the one chance to point out "Passing stats don't lead to Ws". The team went 5-6, but Sawyer broke damn near every freshman passing record in UNI and conference history. 2012 was a weird year. Took Wisconsin and Iowa to the wire, but couldn't make stops on defense. Probably the worse defense we've had in a decade. D2 Central State and WIU will skew the stats but the defense gave up more than 26 points in 6 games that season, and more than 30 4 times. We had 3 games with over 300 yards passing and 6 with 250 or more. The games we didn't have many yards? NDSU's incredible 2012 defense, SDSU where we ran the ball 43 times, WIU where we ran 42 and USD where we ran 43.
The fact is, the offense has been horrendous with this attempt of a read/zone option Farley has been trying to force the team into. How do we know it's Farley? We've had Salmon, Verduzco, Davis and Mahaffey all call plays since 2012 yet nothing about the offense has changed. Pretty interesting to have that many different people calling plays and yet have nothing different about it - especially Davis who wanted to run 70-80 plays per game and whos teams average 40-45 pass plays and 35-40 run plays per game. Davis was the OC in 2015. The year we averaged less than 150 yards passing at a 50% rate. What do Davis's other QB's look like? Well in year 1 at Fordham his QB was named to the All League team and Fordham ranked 18th in the FCS for passing yards at 270 yards per game and had an efficiency rating of 155.96 - which was top 10 in the country. As a team they averaged 498.2 yards per game, which was fourth in the country, and averaged 40.1 points per game which was also fourth.
Go back to his days before UNI. At Shippensburg he averaged 335 yards passing, 37.4 points per game and 465 total yards of offense. Prior to his time at Shippensburg? D3 Wheaton where he averaged over 400 yards per game, 318 yards passing and 35 points.
Face it. Our offense will literally never change under Farley. Never. Why? Who knows. He's infatuated with this system that he never played in and never even tried to implement for his first 9 years as a coach. Something got to him and said "We MUST force this system in to UNI. We will no longer do what upper midwest teams do best (be big, strong and run people the hell over and then open the top with the deep ball). We are going to do what teams in the south do - spread everyone out and run an option play. The only time it worked was a QB from Florida, who may be one of the most hated QBs in UNI history. At least he was able to run that kind of offense.
It's not about a budget. It's not that we can't afford to change the offense or bring someone in to change it. We've done that. It scared the living **** out of Farley. It's well documented that a live scrimmage in Denver was stopped by Farley while he and Davis had words. After that the offense went right back to what we had before Davis came in - and then Davis left to a place that would allow him to run his system.
Yes, I'm extremely negative regarding the offensive staff. They are staff that produced mediocre, at best, results at bad programs. They are coaches that haven't been able to maintain their position at their previous schools. Maybe that is a product of their schools and not them. I'll grant all of them that, I really will. However, the reality is, a program like UNI diving to UC-Davis and Tennessee Tech for coaches isn't a sign that offensive coaches really want to be here.
Maybe it won't be a read option. Maybe the just want Dunne to carry out the read look on every play so they can lull the defense into thinking it won't happen and then spring it once or twice a game in big spots. Maybe. Dunne running the ball more than 2, MAYBE 3, times per game (outside of scrambles) should be grounds for getting someones ass fired.
Want to know what's interesting? Since the end of the spring game, and this has been discussed on here, 4 or 5 plays from the UNI football twitter feed have been deleted. All of them show a front read look with Dunne carrying out the option run look. Maybe that's coincidence. Maybe they saw how people reacted on Twitter to that look and were doing some PR coverage.
As far as yards/stats from the game? I wouldn't read a ton into it. Stats are probably kept at the point the play was blown dead, which many times wouldn't have been where the player was tackled. The passes appeared to be a decent mix of short/mid/long. There is one play that sticks out where Isaiah Weston grabbed a quick WR screen and would have gone to the tune of 60-70 yards for a score, but the refs blew it dead as soon as a hand touched him, but it wouldn't have been a tackle. Rima bobbled and dropped a deep 9 route over his shoulder that would have been 30-40 yards. That play has also been deleted from the Twitter feed. It would have been difficult, but it is a play I think Rima probably makes 70% of the time.
With the speed/skill we have at the skill positions we need to have different screens. We need stick routes, jail break, bubble, etc... Get the ball in the playmakers hand. Throwing those, even if smaller yardage happens, opens up the hitch and go. It opens up a pump to the screen and a TE (what are those?) dumping off the back edge into the spots the LB and S vacated with 10-15 yards of space to pick up. Antonio Brown and Julio Jones are fantastic at this. Screens can also hide deficiencies in the OL. Don't have to protect the QB as long and even if a screen picks up just 3-5 yards it's as good as a run play but forces the defense to stay spread. This can allow for the fake screen lead draw.
Yes, maybe I'm too hypercritical right now. Maybe, HOPEFULLY, I'm wrong. Nothing would make me happier than being wrong on this. There is just so much history telling me I'm likely more right than wrong.
I get people leaving the board because of people like ban_basketball, spanishmoon, P100. They didn't try to discuss facts or anything relevant to the discussion. I'm willing to talk about the issues the programs are having, but am willing to do the work to find backing for what I'm saying. That doesn't sit well in most message boards. It doesn't allow for a straight opinion discussion. It means that thought bubbles can/are burst and more effort is required to discuss the topic. If someone not being happy with the direction of the program causes you to leave, then so be it.
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