Mass exodus at Iowa?

[BryceC]

Originally Posted by williebat

Sounds like he is sick from his quote in the article. I wonder what is wrong. I feel sorry for the kid. He should go to Minnesota state and win a D-II national championship with davis.

He had a number of illnesses and injuries this year, I really feel for the kid. Rumor is he was asked to redshirt next season to get bigger and didn't want to go that route. I'm guessing there will be more transfers before it's all said and done as well.

[williebat]

2 out the 4 good recruits they had are now gone. Depending on why MANN is leaving seems like he might make a nice addition to the panthers.

[Panther Cat]

When Clinton Mann left ISU got a JUCO immediately. That kid is already better than Mann so that shouldn't hurt. Eikmeier can really shoot the ball, but it sounds like he feels he isn't good enough to compete at that level from his quotes?

Looking at ISU and Iowa, ISU has gotten the better recruits, but a lot of them haven't stuck around. If Wesley Johnson was there and healthy this year I think ISU would probably have been an NCAA Tournament team. That would have been a good 1-2 punch with him and Brackins. This is a big year for Mac so hopefully Brackins comes back for another year for his sack.

Iowa's situation is odd as well. Lickliter seemed to basically push Freeman out the door because he wouldn't play his style. Which basically put the ball in Peterson's hands, now he's gone too. There has to be more to the story. I can see Davis leaving because of playing time, I can even see Jake if he really does want to be closer to his dad. But Jeff Peterson makes no sense to me. He isn't even that good, there is no way he would get as many minutes as he's getting on any other "BCS Conference" team. I don't get why he would want to transfer to a smaller school with his PT at Iowa. These players must really dislike Lickliter or something?

[Panther Cat]

Originally Posted by williebat

2 out the 4 good recruits they had are now gone. Depending on why MANN is leaving seems like he might make a nice addition to the panthers.

He wants more playing time. After sitting out next year during Egleseder and Koch's senoir years there is definetly an opportunity to earn some solid playing time by that next year. We have some guys redshirting this year but aren't really bringing in any true post players. I wouldn't be opposed to having him in the purple in gold. But I don't think he is looking at us.

[9YRPLAN]

do you know where Mann is looking? he seems like a good fit in CF

[BryceC]

Originally Posted by 9YRPLAN

do you know where Mann is looking? he seems like a good fit in CF

I'd be wary of Mann. I just don't think he's athletic enough, tall enough, or skilled enough to be successful. He was originally offered both by Creighton and Iowa, will be interesting to see if they get in on him.

[9YRPLAN]

sounds like the same knocks on o'rear before he got here

[1988]

Originally Posted by williebat

Read this scathing article by Hlas about Iowa. Harsh


http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pb...703259919/1056

Hlas is almost as bad as Ecker. Read the article closely. It seems the Kelley kid was Big Ten Player of the Year twice in the final three weeks of the season! I wonder why they would let that kind of talent go? I bet that has NEVER been done before!

[Panthers to the Bone]

None of the Iowa State guys will come to UNI as I believe it's ISU policy to not grant releases of scholarships to schools on upcoming schedules within that sport.

Regardless, UNI needs to upgrade athleticism in the 3-5 positions. I'm not sure Eikmeier or Mann (or Creekmur) meet those wants. If UNI is going to bring in a transfer, I would like to see a 3/4 slasher type. UNI could use some depth in the post, but I would rather keep the post positions open so that UNI could offer alot of playing time opportunities to HS post players in the 2010 class.

[06panther10]

Originally Posted by Panthers to the Bone

None of the Iowa State guys will come to UNI as I believe it's ISU policy to not grant releases of scholarships to schools on upcoming schedules within that sport.

What about Adam Haluska?

[Panthers to the Bone]

I believe this is a policy Pollard added. I read this last year when Wesley Johnson transferred. It is referred to here in this message board in response to an article in the DM Register that is no longer available.

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/1171888-post11.html

...seeing as though they would only grant his release to teams not on their future schedules or to another Big 12 team.

[MSUBear42]

Originally Posted by TH1974

Peterson is looking to Missouri State, so that theory is out the window.

With all due respect, Missouri State has one of the toughest admission standards in the Valley and has the best schools of business and finance in the state of Missouri.

[Panthers to the Bone]

It looks like it is a policy...at least for basketball.

http://www.theindependent.com/articl...2522412206.txt

Eikmeier, who will have to sit out one season as a Division I transfer, said he’ll look at schools in the Mountain West, Missouri Valley and West Coast Conferences.

Iowa State won’t release Eikmeier to any Big 12 or Pac-10 school, or to teams on ISU’s future schedules such as Drake and Northern Iowa.

[williebat]

Forget about Eikmier. I really hope we get Antoine Cox from bollingbrook. I would take him over eikmeir or mann anyday.

[in_the_stands]

Hey MSUBear42, hear anything about Iowa's Jeff Peterson heading your way?

[Trapped in California]

Jake Kelly was released according the DSM Rag

Looks to be headed to IN ST, who just released Tyler Cutter.

[jman2004]

Originally Posted by run&blade

Kids good enough to get Big Ten offers don't want to play meatgrinder basketball. It works at small schools because those kids are just damn happy to get a chance to play Div 1 basketball and will work their butts off to just get the chance to play.

Big time recruits want to run and gun. McDermott is finding that out at ISU, if they are good enough to play in a BCS conference in basketball they don't want to play Meatgrinder basketball.

IMO run and gun is going to change the college game like the spread offense is changing college football.

I'm beginning to think you watch very little college basketball. You're really stuck on this "run and gun" thing. You have been all season, even used it as an excuse to NOT come and watch our conference champion Panthers . . . plenty of teams play this style of basketball across the country, and are playing it in the tournament.

You're right in the sense that the more successful teams are the top teams that have players that can get out and run the floor well, but that's a small portion of the college basketball world. Teams like the number 1, 2, and 3 seeds are those seeds for a reason. They have that talent. Much of the college basketball universe does NOT and thus, are forced to find other ways to compete. Slowing down the game is one such way, and PLENTY of college basketball teams do it. There's a difference between WANTING to gun it and having the talent to gun it successfully.

[jman2004]

Originally Posted by 9YRPLAN

for you retards...Kelly is from Marshall, IL right across the river from TH. he went to carmel his last two years of high school to play in one of the best conferences in the country. his mom moved there as well because she was raising him as a single parent. she then moved to solon when jake came to iowa, as she already had a sister living here. his mom died tragically last summer and he has since decided to move back to TH to be closer to his dad.

kelly was a pretty good recruit out of high school, despite being a little overlooked due to the depth of his AAU team.

its really not a funny situation for Jake.

I agree with this and while calling everyone "retards" may lack some tact, I think people in here jumping to conclusions about the University of Iowa's men's basketball team, needed to hear it.

Kelly's situation is not in any way, a "rebellion" against Lickliter. It's a young man, going through some personal crap, wanting to move closer to family.

Indiana State will benefit from having him. I thought he was a decent player, one of the few Hawkeyes.

[in_the_stands]

2nd hand, but from people who claim to have heard the Barta/Lick press conference this afternoon, Peterson and Palmer are definitely gone in addition to Kelly & Davis. At this time Peterson doesn't know where he's going to.

[MSUBear42]

Originally Posted by in_the_stands

Hey MSUBear42, hear anything about Iowa's Jeff Peterson heading your way?

I, personally, don't know anything about it besides the fact that he'd be an awesome player here (I was raised a hawk fan so know a little bit about him). That said, someone on our local sports radio show called in and said that Jeff had applied for admission to MSU recently.

Time will tell.





Side note, I never got to tell you guys congrats on an awesome basketball season!

[9YRPLAN]

FYI, peterson is an A Finance student and qualified for a prestigious b-school scholly at iowa.

[in_the_stands]

Originally Posted by MSUBear42

I, personally, don't know anything about it besides the fact that he'd be an awesome player here (I was raised a hawk fan so know a little bit about him). That said, someone on our local sports radio show called in and said that Jeff had applied for admission to MSU recently.

Time will tell.

Side note, I never got to tell you guys congrats on an awesome basketball season!

Thanks. FWIW, Peterson is officially available if you guys want him.

[Panther Fan]

Nice quotes from former player Dan Bohall in Keeler's column this morning-

"To me, it just seems the reason why Iowa isn't working, it's because it's like a mid-major trying to compete in the Big Ten, It's like Northern Iowa's basketball program jumping over to play in the Big Ten. It's just a different style of ball that needs players to be at a different level. And that's the reason why I think people are leaving - it's just that they're not satisfied with the way the season is (going) ... no one likes having a losing season.

The Big Ten is not the Horizon League, it's not a mid-major school. You're playing against athletic (teams). Look at Michigan State, look at the Big Ten, the players they have, the bodies — they're athletic, they're Big Ten players. It's just — the way Lickliter plays, his system is more of a mid-major system. It worked at Butler and it just doesn't work at Iowa and that's where the problems are coming in. I could be wrong, (but) from watching games and talking with the players, that's kind of the thought process."

[Blue42]

Originally Posted by Panther Fan

Nice quotes from former player Dan Bohall in Keeler's column this morning-

"To me, it just seems the reason why Iowa isn't working, it's because it's like a mid-major trying to compete in the Big Ten, It's like Northern Iowa's basketball program jumping over to play in the Big Ten. It's just a different style of ball that needs players to be at a different level. And that's the reason why I think people are leaving - it's just that they're not satisfied with the way the season is (going) ... no one likes having a losing season.

The Big Ten is not the Horizon League, it's not a mid-major school. You're playing against athletic (teams). Look at Michigan State, look at the Big Ten, the players they have, the bodies — they're athletic, they're Big Ten players. It's just — the way Lickliter plays, his system is more of a mid-major system. It worked at Butler and it just doesn't work at Iowa and that's where the problems are coming in. I could be wrong, (but) from watching games and talking with the players, that's kind of the thought process."

Bohall's a quitter and belonged in the Horizon League (maybe) himself.

[williebat]

Originally Posted by Panther Fan

Nice quotes from former player Dan Bohall in Keeler's column this morning-

"To me, it just seems the reason why Iowa isn't working, it's because it's like a mid-major trying to compete in the Big Ten, It's like Northern Iowa's basketball program jumping over to play in the Big Ten. It's just a different style of ball that needs players to be at a different level. And that's the reason why I think people are leaving - it's just that they're not satisfied with the way the season is (going) ... no one likes having a losing season.

The Big Ten is not the Horizon League, it's not a mid-major school. You're playing against athletic (teams). Look at Michigan State, look at the Big Ten, the players they have, the bodies — they're athletic, they're Big Ten players. It's just — the way Lickliter plays, his system is more of a mid-major system. It worked at Butler and it just doesn't work at Iowa and that's where the problems are coming in. I could be wrong, (but) from watching games and talking with the players, that's kind of the thought process."

What an idiot!!! I think that we proved we could compete in the BIG 10 with our game against purdue.

[jman2004]

Originally Posted by Panther Fan

Nice quotes from former player Dan Bohall in Keeler's column this morning-

"To me, it just seems the reason why Iowa isn't working, it's because it's like a mid-major trying to compete in the Big Ten, It's like Northern Iowa's basketball program jumping over to play in the Big Ten. It's just a different style of ball that needs players to be at a different level. And that's the reason why I think people are leaving - it's just that they're not satisfied with the way the season is (going) ... no one likes having a losing season.

The Big Ten is not the Horizon League, it's not a mid-major school. You're playing against athletic (teams). Look at Michigan State, look at the Big Ten, the players they have, the bodies — they're athletic, they're Big Ten players. It's just — the way Lickliter plays, his system is more of a mid-major system. It worked at Butler and it just doesn't work at Iowa and that's where the problems are coming in. I could be wrong, (but) from watching games and talking with the players, that's kind of the thought process."

I don't know that I'm buying any of that! His system can work in the Big Ten. He just needs the right players and players that will buy into his system.

Plus, I know this looks bad for the Hawkeyes, but at the same time, it really could be more of a case of bad timing than it is a "rebellion". Of those 4 that are leaving, Davis and Palmer stunk anyways. Kelly is leaving for personal reasons. If Kelly's father lived closer to Iowa City, he probably wouldn't even be transferring. Peterson (besides Kelly) is the only one that has D1 talent, and should sting a little for Hawk fans.

It's funny and we can laugh at it because it's the Hawkeyes getting the bad press once again, but in the grand scheme of things, I really don't think this is as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. I actually still think Lickliter will have the Hawkeyes playing damn competitive Big Ten basketball in a few years, and should provide us with a nice non-conference opportunity year after year.

[Panther789]

Originally Posted by jman2004

I don't know that I'm buying any of that! His system can work in the Big Ten. He just needs the right players and players that will buy into his system.

Plus, I know this looks bad for the Hawkeyes, but at the same time, it really could be more of a case of bad timing than it is a "rebellion". Of those 4 that are leaving, Davis and Palmer stunk anyways. Kelly is leaving for personal reasons. If Kelly's father lived closer to Iowa City, he probably wouldn't even be transferring. Peterson (besides Kelly) is the only one that has D1 talent, and should sting a little for Hawk fans.

It's funny and we can laugh at it because it's the Hawkeyes getting the bad press once again, but in the grand scheme of things, I really don't think this is as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. I actually still think Lickliter will have the Hawkeyes playing damn competitive Big Ten basketball in a few years, and should provide us with a nice non-conference opportunity year after year.

How many years do you think he gets? Clearly, at this point he has been there 2 years and is essentially back to square 1. I dont see them winning more than 5 Big Ten games next year (pretty generous), and if he doesnt have them in the postseason by year 4, I'm not sure he gets a year 5. The Big Ten is very young, and its going to be much more difficult to win in that league than it was the last few years.

Losing 4 scholarship players in 1 week, with an incoming recruit re-opening his recruitment is one hell of a case of bad timing.

[9YRPLAN]

UNI wanted bohall and alford convinced him to walk on. i took his comments as meaning that going after the mid-major talent and trying to be competitive in the big ten is an iffy proposition. i doubt that he meant it as an insult to UNI.

[jman2004]

Originally Posted by Panther789

Losing 4 scholarship players in 1 week, with an incoming recruit re-opening his recruitment is one hell of a case of bad timing.

It definitely is. But when you look at each individual case, is it really that big of a deal? As I said, scholarship or not, Davis and Palmer were not really that good anyways.

Kelly is a good player and will definitely help ISU whenever he's allowed to play (family hardship or whatever). If I were a diehard Hawk fan, I'd be upset about losing him, but at the same time, understanding of his situation.

As I said, in my opinion, Peterson is the one that should sting. It's too bad for Hawkeye Nation that he was unhappy.

Lickliter does have a long road ahead of him, even though he'll be entering his third year, and maybe that Coach of the Year honor while at Butler will turn out to be a fluke . . .

I don't know how many more years he gets . . . usually, I'd say 3-4 to show what you can do with your system and your players. From there, judge what you've seen in regards to potential and accomplishments. However with his situation, I don't know. As you said, he's entering his third season and will start from scratch AGAIN in an already young Big Ten. Will Iowa cut him some slack and chalk this recent setback up as an unfortunate event or will the blame fall on HIM? Could make a difference . . .

I still think he appears to be a good coach and is faithful to the style of basketball he wants to play. I think he'll be able to bring in guys to run his style and make them competitive in the Big Ten. This is a setback, no doubt, but I think he'll be able to get them to play competitive ball in the next few years. From there, who knows . . .

[9YRPLAN]

most of the iowa fanbase was torn on Peterson. I think he is a solid big ten backup who was forced into major minutes. another group thinks that he was a good player and PG of the future. he had certainly improved over 2 years, but also had issues staying healthy.

[Panther789]

Originally Posted by jman2004

It definitely is. But when you look at each individual case, is it really that big of a deal? As I said, scholarship or not, Davis and Palmer were not really that good anyways.

.

I'm not going to pretend like these guys were all-Americans, but when you have a team full of mostly average players, losing 2 more hurts. These guys played important roles in some of Iowa's wins.

Palmer had 21 in the win over Wisky. Davis had 16 against ISU and played a bunch of minutes until the last couple of weeks.

[9YRPLAN]

palmer and davis are both terrible and those performances not only defy common sense but also every law of probability in the universe. that being said, they did really happen.

[UNI Prof]

Originally Posted by jman2004

It definitely is. But when you look at each individual case, is it really that big of a deal? As I said, scholarship or not, Davis and Palmer were not really that good anyways.

Kelly is a good player and will definitely help ISU whenever he's allowed to play (family hardship or whatever). If I were a diehard Hawk fan, I'd be upset about losing him, but at the same time, understanding of his situation.

As I said, in my opinion, Peterson is the one that should sting. It's too bad for Hawkeye Nation that he was unhappy.

Lickliter does have a long road ahead of him, even though he'll be entering his third year, and maybe that Coach of the Year honor while at Butler will turn out to be a fluke . . .

I don't know how many more years he gets . . . usually, I'd say 3-4 to show what you can do with your system and your players. From there, judge what you've seen in regards to potential and accomplishments. However with his situation, I don't know. As you said, he's entering his third season and will start from scratch AGAIN in an already young Big Ten. Will Iowa cut him some slack and chalk this recent setback up as an unfortunate event or will the blame fall on HIM? Could make a difference . . .

I still think he appears to be a good coach and is faithful to the style of basketball he wants to play. I think he'll be able to bring in guys to run his style and make them competitive in the Big Ten. This is a setback, no doubt, but I think he'll be able to get them to play competitive ball in the next few years. From there, who knows . . .

He should have to win next year, IMO. Look at what Mike Anderson did at Missouri. That program was in the toilet when he got there 3 years ago. MU had seven new players this year (5 freshmen) and will play for the Final Four this afternoon. One of their seniors is a former walk-on and the other a transfer from Vandy. Their starting guards were very lightly recruited, one had an offer from Anderson at UAB and the other transferred from Delaware.

Anderson has shown that a good coach can make things happen with lesser players.

[9YRPLAN]

not only that, but mizzou has not just been winning...they have looked PHENOMENAL

[FOTY]

The part of all these releases for the Hawks that I enjoy... no one is questioning or even discussing Mac. This just took the media focus off him for a few weeks. That is, until Brakins announces his decision.

We are questioning how many years Coach L will get. All season long that same discussion was being had about Mac.

Just interesting - IMO.