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  • Ndsu SDSU and IllSt on road.

    Kiss the playoffs offs good bye.

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    • For all those convinced that UNI could never afford to play another home game...

      NDSU is paying NCAT - a team that is consistently in the top 20 - 240k to bring their entire team, staff AND BAND to Fargo from North Carolina in 2020

      That is considered extremely high for a buy game for NDSU.

      When you look at what NDSU has paid teams that UNI should be going after the price comes down quite a bit

      Prairie View A&M $200K
      Delaware State $200K
      Ferris State $180K
      The Incarnate Word $190K
      North Dakota $125K
      Charleston Southern $300K (ESPN was involved in this price)
      Mississippi Valley State $240K
      Robert Morris $185K
      Cal Poly $250K
      North Alabama $230K
      Butler $185K
      North Dakota $140K
      UC Davis $240K
      Drake $230K

      That's an average of 200k.

      It's also on record that NDSU ays more/has to pay more because of someone willing to go to Fargo and take that kind of beating.

      South Dakota State, Southern Illinois, North Dakota and Illinois State have gotten many of those schools (MVSU, RMU, Bulter, Drake) for significantly less than NDSU paid them. We're talking in the 150-175k range.

      Again, let's do the math

      We sell 10,000 tickets (season, group and single game) tickets to one of those games at an average of 20 per ticket - and if you made the game HOF weekend or Band week or some crap like that that is easily accomplished). That's $200,000 in ticket sales. Add in parking and concessions and the cost of the game is easily made up for.

      Couple that with our FBS games paying between 500-650k each year - especially the Iowa State games with how they are set up - and the idea that having home games is too expensive is silly to me.

      Call it a break even if you wish. Playing at home is far less taxing on a body. It's far more likely to be a win. Setting us up better for the playoffs and making run. Making a run generates excitement. That creates more ticket sales. More people willing to donate.

      It may be a short team net 0..maybe a slightly net loss day of game. Long term benefits of winning, and winning at home, is significant.


      Even at a break even that's tens of thousands of dollars (if not more) better than having to fly 125 people to middle of Idaho, pay for 2 days of lodging for about 60 or 70 hotel rooms, pay for food, pay for ground transport, then pay to fly back.
      Last edited by clenz; 01-17-2019, 11:14 AM.
      GO PANTHERS!!!!!!!

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      • Originally posted by run&blade View Post
        Ndsu SDSU and IllSt on road.

        Kiss the playoffs offs good bye.
        I'd pen a response to this brainwreck....but what's the point.
        Winning is more fun than losing.

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        • Originally posted by clenz View Post
          For all those convinced that UNI could never afford to play another home game...

          NDSU is paying NCAT - a team that is consistently in the top 20 - 240k to bring their entire team, staff AND BAND to Fargo from North Carolina in 2020

          That is considered extremely high for a buy game for NDSU.

          When you look at what NDSU has paid teams that UNI should be going after the price comes down quite a bit

          Prairie View A&M $200K
          Delaware State $200K
          Ferris State $180K
          The Incarnate Word $190K
          North Dakota $125K
          Charleston Southern $300K (ESPN was involved in this price)
          Mississippi Valley State $240K
          Robert Morris $185K
          Cal Poly $250K
          North Alabama $230K
          Butler $185K
          North Dakota $140K
          UC Davis $240K
          Drake $230K

          That's an average of 200k.

          It's also on record that NDSU ays more/has to pay more because of someone willing to go to Fargo and take that kind of beating.

          South Dakota State, Southern Illinois, North Dakota and Illinois State have gotten many of those schools (MVSU, RMU, Bulter, Drake) for significantly less than NDSU paid them. We're talking in the 150-175k range.

          Again, let's do the math

          We sell 10,000 tickets (season, group and single game) tickets to one of those games at an average of 20 per ticket - and if you made the game HOF weekend or Band week or some crap like that that is easily accomplished). That's $200,000 in ticket sales. Add in parking and concessions and the cost of the game is easily made up for.

          Couple that with our FBS games paying between 500-650k each year - especially the Iowa State games with how they are set up - and the idea that having home games is too expensive is silly to me.

          Call it a break even if you wish. Playing at home is far less taxing on a body. It's far more likely to be a win. Setting us up better for the playoffs and making run. Making a run generates excitement. That creates more ticket sales. More people willing to donate.

          It may be a short team net 0..maybe a slightly net loss day of game. Long term benefits of winning, and winning at home, is significant.


          Even at a break even that's tens of thousands of dollars (if not more) better than having to fly 125 people to middle of Idaho, pay for 2 days of lodging for about 60 or 70 hotel rooms, pay for food, pay for ground transport, then pay to fly back.
          Quit comparing us to ND St. you think you know all the variables but you really don’t

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          • Originally posted by Mudrafan View Post

            Quit comparing us to ND St. you think you know all the variables but you really don’t
            Please, enlighten us

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            • Originally posted by Mudrafan View Post

              Quit comparing us to ND St. you think you know all the variables but you really don’t
              He also explained how lesser schools have bought those same teams.
              Selling a lot of old UNI stuff here: http://www.panthernation.com/showthread.php?t=65762

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              • Originally posted by clenz View Post

                Again, let's do the math

                We sell 10,000 tickets (season, group and single game) tickets to one of those games at an average of 20 per ticket - and if you made the game HOF weekend or Band week or some crap like that that is easily accomplished). That's $200,000 in ticket sales. Add in parking and concessions and the cost of the game is easily made up for.
                At 10,000 attendence I don't think you could say we easily make up the costs of a buy game. We also have insurance costs, game day staff, utilities, costs of concessions sold, advertising and promotion (lol), etc. So at 10,000 tickets it's probably going to be break even at best and more than likely a small loss.

                But that's not the issue. The issue is that this of course is something we should be doing and we're not because the AD is not looking at it as an investment in the growth and sustainability of UNI football. They have instead seen it as a sunk cost. Once upon a time we had no problem getting 15,000 fans and even the occasional standing room only game pushing well over 17,000 fans. At those numbers, the cost of having a few buy games becomes a no brainier. But there's no way we get back to that point without improving fan engagement. And that starts with more home games and more wins. As you've argued for a long time, there is no emotional or financial investment from the fans when we only have a couple home games and the bulk of them are late in the season after we already have a losing record. The excitement and engagement is completely murdered before the halfway point every year.

                We've got to start having 6 or 7 home games every year and that means paying money. But it's an issue of "spend the money to keep us relevant" or "save the money and have a slow death." We've been on this slow death spiral for way too long and UNI football is well on it's way to becoming the exclusive home of marching band fans.

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                • Originally posted by mwatje View Post

                  At 10,000 attendence I don't think you could say we easily make up the costs of a buy game. We also have insurance costs, game day staff, utilities, costs of concessions sold, advertising and promotion (lol), etc. So at 10,000 tickets it's probably going to be break even at best and more than likely a small loss.

                  But that's not the issue. The issue is that this of course is something we should be doing and we're not because the AD is not looking at it as an investment in the growth and sustainability of UNI football. They have instead seen it as a sunk cost. Once upon a time we had no problem getting 15,000 fans and even the occasional standing room only game pushing well over 17,000 fans. At those numbers, the cost of having a few buy games becomes a no brainier. But there's no way we get back to that point without improving fan engagement. And that starts with more home games and more wins. As you've argued for a long time, there is no emotional or financial investment from the fans when we only have a couple home games and the bulk of them are late in the season after we already have a losing record. The excitement and engagement is completely murdered before the halfway point every year.

                  We've got to start having 6 or 7 home games every year and that means paying money. But it's an issue of "spend the money to keep us relevant" or "save the money and have a slow death." We've been on this slow death spiral for way too long and UNI football is well on it's way to becoming the exclusive home of marching band fans.
                  Absolutely 100% correct.
                  UNI FIGHT

                  Originally posted by 9YRPLAN
                  iowa sucks, fran sucks, their schedule sucks, iowa fans suck

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                  • Can confirm that North Dakota State cycles off our league schedule for 2022-2023.
                    #MACtion

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                    • Originally posted by BCPanther View Post
                      Can confirm that North Dakota State cycles off our league schedule for 2022-2023.

                      Play them in Frisco rather than Fargo or Cedar Falls!

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                      • Once again UNI schedules a HOME AND HOME with a team in Utah

                        Dixie State visits Cedar Falls in 2022
                        UNI will visit Dixie State in 2025

                        Source
                        https://twitter.com/Nelley13/status/...788733957?s=20
                        GO PANTHERS!!!!!!!

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                        • Easy W. Better than Big Sky road games.
                          UNI FIGHT

                          Originally posted by 9YRPLAN
                          iowa sucks, fran sucks, their schedule sucks, iowa fans suck

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                          • Originally posted by clenz View Post
                            Once again UNI schedules a HOME AND HOME with a team in Utah

                            Dixie State visits Cedar Falls in 2022
                            UNI will visit Dixie State in 2025

                            Source
                            https://twitter.com/Nelley13/status/...788733957?s=20
                            At least it should be a W

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                            • Originally posted by 06panther10 View Post
                              Easy W. Better than Big Sky road games.
                              Agreed completely.

                              Baby steps towards getting our scheduling in line with other top MVFC/FCS teams.
                              GO PANTHERS!!!!!!!

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                              • This is better. Much better.

                                Welcome to the world of scheduling in an 11 team leage. The game here is on October 15 and the game there is on November 15.
                                #MACtion

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