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  • Originally posted by BCPanther View Post

    Now THAT I agree with. Mizzou, UNI, Iowa State and the Oklahoma schools are a nice core. Add Air Force, Wyoming and NDSU and call it good. The Big 12 had gotten way too big.
    That makes a lot of sense. Call it the Gateway and have it run out of the MVC office.
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    • Originally posted by SteinPizza View Post

      I heard a guest on the KXNO afternoon drive program say the AAU thing doesn’t mean **** anymore. His words were basically 10 years ago, yes, it carried weight but now…no. Too much money involved.

      For those in DSM, the Iowa State guy on that show (Ross Peterson?) has been a good source of info since he’s obviously really well connected with the Iowa State athletic department and others around the Big 12. He thinks this is Armageddon for the Big 12, that they’re doomed.
      AAU status (ISU has it) matters when the Big Ten is involved.

      The Big Ten academic consortium still matters very much to them. Every team admitted was an AAU member (Nebraska has since lost that status because their medical center is in Omaha), and it's really hard to see them bringing in a school that isn't (see, e.g., Oklahoma).

      To contextualize, the academic consortium brings in 9 Billion (!!!) in research grants per year. Football is small time compared to their academic pursuits, in terms of dollars, and it's worth remembering that these decisions are ultimately made by university presidents, not athletic directors.

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      • Originally posted by Newsbreaker View Post

        AAU status (ISU has it) matters when the Big Ten is involved.

        The Big Ten academic consortium still matters very much to them. Every team admitted was an AAU member (Nebraska has since lost that status because their medical center is in Omaha), and it's really hard to see them bringing in a school that isn't (see, e.g., Oklahoma).

        To contextualize, the academic consortium brings in 9 Billion (!!!) in research grants per year. Football is small time compared to their academic pursuits, in terms of dollars, and it's worth remembering that these decisions are ultimately made by university presidents, not athletic directors.
        It will be interesting to watch for sure. The admission of Nebraska was already a pretty thin branch for the academic side of the conference. If they reach and add someone like Okie State you know who is running things and that those standards have been completely sold out to the promise of big time TV money. That said with the resources available at a place like Okie State they could promise to pour billions into academics to improve that standing in joining the B10.
        If computers ruled college basketball the way they do football, we'd have skipped all this March Madness monotony and just waited a month for the Kansas-Kentucky title game. And watched Northern Iowa play Cornell in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl. ~ Dwight Perry The Seattle Times

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        • Originally posted by UNIAlum95 View Post

          It will be interesting to watch for sure. The admission of Nebraska was already a pretty thin branch for the academic side of the conference. If they reach and add someone like Okie State you know who is running things and that those standards have been completely sold out to the promise of big time TV money. That said with the resources available at a place like Okie State they could promise to pour billions into academics to improve that standing in joining the B10.
          I don't buy the reports that UT and OU reached out to both the Big Ten and SEC, and the Big Ten wouldn't engage with OU on academic grounds, but it's possible.

          The Big Ten academic enthusiasm is a weird wild-card in all this. If they think they can use football get an association with the likes of USC and UCLA, or even Stanford and Cal, they're going to be really temped.

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          • Originally posted by Newsbreaker View Post

            AAU status (ISU has it) matters when the Big Ten is involved.

            The Big Ten academic consortium still matters very much to them. Every team admitted was an AAU member (Nebraska has since lost that status because their medical center is in Omaha), and it's really hard to see them bringing in a school that isn't (see, e.g., Oklahoma).

            To contextualize, the academic consortium brings in 9 Billion (!!!) in research grants per year. Football is small time compared to their academic pursuits, in terms of dollars, and it's worth remembering that these decisions are ultimately made by university presidents, not athletic directors.
            Correct. You have to be in the CIC (new name for the consortium) and you have to get 70% of the vote. The University of Chicago is an automatic 'No' no matter who you bring in so you've got to get 11 of the remaining 14 to get in. Michigan and Purdue are VERY protective of their academic status so you've got almost no room for error.
            #MACtion

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            • Originally posted by Newsbreaker View Post

              I don't buy the reports that UT and OU reached out to both the Big Ten and SEC, and the Big Ten wouldn't engage with OU on academic grounds, but it's possible.

              The Big Ten academic enthusiasm is a weird wild-card in all this. If they think they can use football get an association with the likes of USC and UCLA, or even Stanford and Cal, they're going to be really temped.
              Getting Stanford and Cal is a wet dream for Michigan and UChicago.
              #MACtion

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              • Originally posted by BCPanther View Post

                Correct. You have to be in the CIC (new name for the consortium) and you have to get 70% of the vote. The University of Chicago is an automatic 'No' no matter who you bring in so you've got to get 11 of the remaining 14 to get in. Michigan and Purdue are VERY protective of their academic status so you've got almost no room for error.
                The CIC is actually the old name. It is now the Big Ten Academic Alliance. Chicago is no longer a member, but they "collaborate." I would assume that means they have no say (or at least no official vote) on new members.

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                • Originally posted by JD720 View Post

                  The CIC is actually the old name. It is now the Big Ten Academic Alliance. Chicago is no longer a member, but they "collaborate." I would assume that means they have no say (or at least no official vote) on new members.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Academic_Alliance
                  I DON'T LIKE CHANGE!!!!!!

                  Thanks for the update. I'd be surprised if Chicago still didn't carry a pretty big stick in that room regardless of status.
                  #MACtion

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                  • Originally posted by BCPanther View Post

                    I DON'T LIKE CHANGE!!!!!!

                    Thanks for the update. I'd be surprised if Chicago still didn't carry a pretty big stick in that room regardless of status.
                    Agreed. The Big Ten has traditionally operated with the "consensus" model, which is to say, if you're actually need to vote, you've already failed. I have to think UofC is still part of that consensus-building program.

                    Point is, what makes the Big Ten different is that when the Presidents are voting to add an athletic member, they're also thinking about the physics department and their hospital.

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                    • Originally posted by Newsbreaker View Post

                      Agreed. The Big Ten has traditionally operated with the "consensus" model, which is to say, if you're actually need to vote, you've already failed. I have to think UofC is still part of that consensus-building program.

                      Point is, what makes the Big Ten different is that when the Presidents are voting to add an athletic member, they're also thinking about the physics department and their hospital.
                      That's why Nebraska is okay even though they lost AAU status. They didn't suddenly get worse academically, they moved their medical school to Omaha to attract more students and have access to an urban trauma center. They lost status on a technicality.

                      Kansas has a well regarded Med School but doesn't do much else and Iowa State is a poor man's Purdue. That's what's going to sink them.
                      #MACtion

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                      • Originally posted by BCPanther View Post

                        That's why Nebraska is okay even though they lost AAU status. They didn't suddenly get worse academically, they moved their medical school to Omaha to attract more students and have access to an urban trauma center. They lost status on a technicality.

                        Kansas has a well regarded Med School but doesn't do much else and Iowa State is a poor man's Purdue. That's what's going to sink them.
                        One thing Iowa State has going for it is the biotech angle to their ag program, the corresponding talent being put in the workforce, companies being started, etc. There are a few of these firms in Central Iowa now that didn’t exist, or were in infancy, 20 years ago. I’m no academic, this school vs that school expert on something this finite, but that has to be an Iowa State selling point. Maybe not to the Big Ten, but someone.

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                        • Originally posted by SteinPizza View Post

                          One thing Iowa State has going for it is the biotech angle to their ag program, the corresponding talent being put in the workforce, companies being started, etc. There are a few of these firms in Central Iowa now that didn’t exist, or were in infancy, 20 years ago. I’m no academic, this school vs that school expert on something this finite, but that has to be an Iowa State selling point. Maybe not to the Big Ten, but someone.
                          ISU is a fine institution. It's not elite, but it's a more than fine institution. The problem is, the Big Ten is the only league that might care, and nice engineering school doesn't look so enticing when you're talking about a league with Purdue, Illinois, and Michigan. Even in Ag Sciences, ISU is behind a lot of the Big Ten. It would probably be best for Central Iowa to get them in, and get them access to those other programs, but that's extremely unlikely.

                          And then the other power leagues are pretty disinterested in academic standing. Tough times in Ames.

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                          • UNI at #103. 4th in the Valley.

                            college sports madness,Men's Basketball,Missouri Valley,Northern Iowa,Joel Welser

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                            • Originally posted by Schack View Post
                              Lulz.

                              Kaboom
                              #MACtion

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                              • Originally posted by Schack View Post
                                If we finish 4th and end up in the CBI/CIT conversation the season will be a colossal disappointment.
                                If computers ruled college basketball the way they do football, we'd have skipped all this March Madness monotony and just waited a month for the Kansas-Kentucky title game. And watched Northern Iowa play Cornell in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl. ~ Dwight Perry The Seattle Times

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