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    CincyPanther88
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  • CincyPanther88
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    Originally posted by vbfan19 View Post
    I think it would be funny if JMU just never officially "announced" the move until they actually joined the new conference.
    Problemwiththat is that there's always some sports going on even in the summer.

    Also, this doesn't affect football.

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  • vbfan19
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  • vbfan19
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    I think it would be funny if JMU just never officially "announced" the move until they actually joined the new conference.

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  • BCPanther
    #ADMarkFarley

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    That's an absolute bull**** move by the CAA. The league office is supposed be the adult in the room.

    Just petty horse****.

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  • CincyPanther88
    Senior Member

  • CincyPanther88
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    A couple of realignment tidbits. Conference USA is likely to add Liberty, Sam Houston State, New Mexico State and Jacksonville State in all sports.

    https://tinyurl.com/bds6f8cm

    Also, the CAA is not going to let James Madison compete for any of their championships if they announce they are leaving for the Sun Belt.

    https://richmond.com/sports/college/...5fb46ac6e.html

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  • SteinPizza
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  • SteinPizza
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    Originally posted by MNpanthers View Post


    93rd largest metro that most people couldn't point to on a map in a flyover state. It means practically nothing in the 21st century. Des Moines is a much nicer city, but I'd say the same about it too.
    Generally, I’d agree. The powers that be in the Des Moines area have done a really nice job in the last 20ish years of re-inventing the area to spur growth and keep white collar, single, college degreed professionals from moving away and/or making Des Moines a professional destination. As a result, the metro area is close to double the size from when I moved away in ‘96. Arts, entertainment, restaurants, sports, nightlife, all far better too. I’ve done business in Wichita. It’s been 10 years but I doubt they’ve had a similar renaissance.

    One thing is certain. Metro areas in this size range aren’t New York or Los Angeles attractive to sports broadcasters as far as demographics, but they beat the **** out of smaller areas that are home to many colleges. With conference realignment in play, you could do far worse. It’s not the only thing that matters, but it’s important.

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  • MNpanthers
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  • MNpanthers
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    Originally posted by SteinPizza View Post

    I haven’t read Shockernet, but where do Wichita people get off on saying they “belong” in a large metro area conference, but going to Des Moines is somehow beneath them? For starters the Des Moines and Wichita metro areas are roughly the same size. Wichita is a shade bigger, but not enough to matter. Wichita has an enviable base of aerospace companies, but you could say the same about Des Moines in insurance/finance. Wichita is also far dirtier and grungier by comparison. I think I’ll move to a large metro area and choose between New York, Chicago, and Wichita…said no one ever.
    The city of Wichita has taken them as far as they can go. That plus riding the coattails of their final 4 team fooled them into making a conference shift that they should have been much more cautious about in hindsight. It was a pretty steep price to live out their fantasy for only a few years. And yea, anyone convincing themselves Wichita is an enviable market is fooling themselves.

    93rd largest metro that most people couldn't point to on a map in a flyover state. It means practically nothing in the 21st century. Des Moines is a much nicer city, but I'd say the same about it too.

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  • CincyPanther88
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  • CincyPanther88
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    Originally posted by SteinPizza View Post

    I haven’t read Shockernet, but where do Wichita people get off on saying they “belong” in a large metro area conference, but going to Des Moines is somehow beneath them? For starters the Des Moines and Wichita metro areas are roughly the same size. Wichita is a shade bigger, but not enough to matter. Wichita has an enviable base of aerospace companies, but you could say the same about Des Moines in insurance/finance. Wichita is also far dirtier and grungier by comparison. I think I’ll move to a large metro area and choose between New York, Chicago, and Wichita…said no one ever.
    I lived in Wellington, KS which is about 20 miles south of Wichita for about a year in 90-91. From there I moved to Des Moines and stayed there for about 8 years. The two cities are very similar in size. I went to Wichita quite a bit since there wasn't much to do in Wellington. But Wichita is hardly a cultural Mecca. Des Moines isn't either but it certainly doesn't suffer in comparison to Wichita.

    You certainly can't fault a school for wanting to better its situation athletically but WSU had been in the MVC for a long time. Maybe since the beginning. But if they had stayed, they and the MVC would be in high cotton now. But they got too big their britches and now they are in a dying conference. They are probably going to be begging to get back to the MVC. I'm sure their fans will rationalize that if it happens.

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  • SteinPizza
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  • SteinPizza
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    Originally posted by clenz View Post
    Reading shockernet has been a fun psychology case study on the stages of grief. It's fun seeing people that for years went "It's better for us to fly to the east coast to play large metro teams compared to Des Moines or Cedar Falls" now going "Why the **** are we playing games all over the eastern half of the country? That's dumb!
    I haven’t read Shockernet, but where do Wichita people get off on saying they “belong” in a large metro area conference, but going to Des Moines is somehow beneath them? For starters the Des Moines and Wichita metro areas are roughly the same size. Wichita is a shade bigger, but not enough to matter. Wichita has an enviable base of aerospace companies, but you could say the same about Des Moines in insurance/finance. Wichita is also far dirtier and grungier by comparison. I think I’ll move to a large metro area and choose between New York, Chicago, and Wichita…said no one ever.

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  • clenz
    Make UNI Great Again

  • clenz
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    Originally posted by CyCarp View Post
    Let's just bring in Wichita and Memphis and call it a day.
    Doesn't solve the steak issue. Still can't get a good steak in Iowa or Illinois apparently.

    Also, the AAC is so tied to large markets they are killing themself as a conference.

    FAU - Boca Raton - 6 million
    Charlotte - Charlotte 3.1 million
    UTSA - San Antonio 2.5 million
    Rice - Houston - 7.1 million
    UNT - Denton/Dallas-Fort Worth - Denton is only 140K but you are right on the side of Dallas/FW
    UAB - Birmingham -1.1 million

    Now, does anyone in those markets give a flying **** about those schools? Nope. Not at all. But the conference, and school presidents, wanted to be a large metro conference.

    Wichita is about to find out of it is better to send your teams to Boca Raton, Charlotte, San Antonio, Houson, etc. to play teams that are bottom half of the Valley level teams or if it's better to send your teams to Iowa and Illinois to play higher rated teams.


    Reading shockernet has been a fun psychology case study on the stages of grief. It's fun seeing people that for years went "It's better for us to fly to the east coast to play large metro teams compared to Des Moines or Cedar Falls" now going "Why the **** are we playing games all over the eastern half of the country? That's dumb!

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  • CyCarp
    Senior Member

  • CyCarp
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    Let's just bring in Wichita and Memphis and call it a day.
    CyCarp
    Senior Member
    Last edited by CyCarp; 10-20-2021, 11:13 AM.

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  • BCPanther
    #ADMarkFarley

  • BCPanther
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    Imagine if/when the AAC loses Memphis...

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  • CincyPanther88
    Senior Member

  • CincyPanther88
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    Wichita State keeps stepping in it. And all for the love of a good steak.

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  • sevelev711
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  • sevelev711
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    Originally posted by orangetennis View Post

    This table includes Belmont and Murray in the Valley?
    Has the Murray addition been announced yet? Is that official?
    It includes all realignments and highly expected since 2010 (so it does include Murray State, which hasn't been confirmed yet, buuuuuut...)

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  • orangetennis
    Senior Member

  • orangetennis
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    Originally posted by sevelev711 View Post
    I Lol. I Lmao. I Lol again.




    Shoutout to a fellow panther fan on reddit for putting this together https://old.reddit.com/r/CollegeBask...s_for_top_mid/
    This table includes Belmont and Murray in the Valley?
    Has the Murray addition been announced yet? Is that official?

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  • sevelev711
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  • sevelev711
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    I Lol. I Lmao. I Lol again.




    Shoutout to a fellow panther fan on reddit for putting this together https://old.reddit.com/r/CollegeBask...s_for_top_mid/

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