Panthers arrested...

[Whitey81]

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Breaking the law has little to do with intelligence and a lot to do with culture. Socio-economic status plays the biggest role in shaping someones culture. Not trying to get into a nature vs nurture debate, but I know intelligence and criminal behavior have no correlation (ie- Ted Kaczynski).

Prime example = Elliot Spitzer, former Attorney General of NY, current(for now) Governor of NY

Harvard educated, spending upwards to $80,000 on hookers

[Twin Cities Panther]

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Prime example = Elliot Spitzer, former Attorney General of NY, current(for now) Governor of NY

Harvard educated, spending upwards to $80,000 on hookers

The way he "allowed" himself to get caught, the silly bastard should sue Harvard for his tuition money back!

[KaBullseye15]

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I think this was closer to 3:30 just south of the McLeod. Any officers on this board? Are the quotas to be met by the 15th of the month? or is that just a myth?

thats just a myth

[Whitey81]

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Ahhhh, you guys are probably right. I'm sure these guys are as smart as a normal student. Probably smarter, actually:

TH,
I believe I owe an apology to you if you saw the earlier post in which I called you a very bad word (Id**t). I think to post police took it off.
Since you consider these 3 average and make comparisons to average students, it's worse than I thought

[Whitey81]

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I'm suggesting that the average football player isn't as smart as the average student.

OK, you got me worked up with this one:
More "average football players" from UNI:
Mark Farley - UNI Head Football Coach
Rick Nelson - UNI Football staff
Chris Kliemann - UNI Football staff
Bill Salmon - UNI Football staff
Kurt Warner - NFL MVP (2 times), Super Bowl MVP
Bryce Paup - NFL Defensive player of the year
Mark Steines - Entertainment Tonight host
I know many more that have gone to lead average lives as attorney's, teachers, accountants, small business owners, among others.

[dan_beeding]

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I wonder if this thread will turn into another State Championship/dual fan thread....?

[Whitey81]

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Whoever posted those pictures is a retard. That looks nothing like those guys. I like how all those guys are the same size and Brandon Kieth is 6 to 8 inches taller than either Darrell or Adam and about 100 pounds heavier... seriously, don't be an idiot.

Careful, I got my hand slapped this morning for calling someone an Id#*t

[06panther10]

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i love how people are so quick to say that athletes get special treatment, but dont appreciate how much work they put in to their sport year-round. its a full-time job.

I know how hard it is. I probably couldn't do it in fact. But it bothers me when people pretend like that doesn't happen for athletes, because everyone knows it does. Is being in sports alot of work with school? Yeah, its a ton of work, but lets not forget that most of them are going to school for free, and many do in fact recieve specail academic benifits.

[9YRPLAN]

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in my experience, they are just as many athletes who pass up the academic benefits as who receive them.

[Whitey81]

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I know how hard it is. I probably couldn't do it in fact. But it bothers me when people pretend like that doesn't happen for athletes, because everyone knows it does. Is being in sports alot of work with school? Yeah, its a ton of work, but lets not forget that most of them are going to school for free, and many do in fact recieve specail academic benifits.

School for free? Bad argument. Student athletes put in more hours than most students which in turn generates financial support for the program/university. Should be considered more a job than a game. I know, I've done it, 2 sports actually.

What specific academic benefits do "many" athletes receive that are not avaialble to any other students(spelling included) Yes there have been occasions that I've heard athletes getting a free pass for a test or other item. I've also seen a former roomate get one too and he was not an athlete.

[06panther10]

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School for free? Bad argument. Student athletes put in more hours than most students which in turn generates financial support for the program/university. Should be considered more a job than a game. I know, I've done it, 2 sports actually.

What specific academic benefits do "many" athletes receive that are not avaialble to any other students(spelling included) Yes there have been occasions that I've heard athletes getting a free pass for a test or other item. I've also seen a former roomate get one too and he was not an athlete.

Ok, but those student athletes CHOOSE to be in sports and put in all that time. And yes, many of them DO go to school for free. I'm not sure what your argument about that is. I would say that all of those extra hours that the student athletes put in is worth those thousands and thousands of dollars that they do not have to pay. And I am not talking about a free pass for a test or something of that nature. I'm talking about someone who doesn't even come to class at all and yet gets a passing grade. That happens often, and I know that for sure. Now, I dont want to speak in such general terms such that all student athletes are included in that, because I know that they aren't. In fact, probably the majority of sudent athletes at UNI are hard working and honest students. BUT it does happen WAY more often than it should. Because, frankly, it should not ever happen.

[Jeff Bates HGH]

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Since when did grades need to be determined on attendance? I thought they stopped passing out gold stars in second grade.

Most of the test's are based out of the book and not on the lecture anyway. If you can read and pass a class what is the difference in whether you show or don't?

[panthertrack]

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Ok, but those student athletes CHOOSE to be in sports and put in all that time. And yes, many of them DO go to school for free. I'm not sure what your argument about that is. I would say that all of those extra hours that the student athletes put in is worth those thousands and thousands of dollars that they do not have to pay. And I am not talking about a free pass for a test or something of that nature. I'm talking about someone who doesn't even come to class at all and yet gets a passing grade. That happens often, and I know that for sure. Now, I dont want to speak in such general terms such that all student athletes are included in that, because I know that they aren't. In fact, probably the majority of sudent athletes at UNI are hard working and honest students. BUT it does happen WAY more often than it should. Because, frankly, it should not ever happen.

It should never happen, sure- but you're being ignorant for thinking the only students who sometimes receive a free pass in a class are student athletes. Many students can achieve passing marks by showing up to 1 or 2 classes a semester- that's the way school works.

Your bias against student-athletes is sickening. You keep saying "you know it happens for sure," but you don't have the testicular fortitude (you're what, a sophomore in college, having gone through less than four semesters of school for God's sake) to point out exactly when this happened. If you want to see this incredible injustice undone, speak up, Reverend Jackson!

Everyone here seems to know that no student-athlete has ever gone to class, still gets straight A's and drinks 24/7 while slanging hard crack on the side. We get it.

I hope calling you ignorant won't get me another citation, or I'll be on my way to a full desadulation. And we all know what that means...

06Panther10, you're nothing more than a walking case of envy. I'm sorry that life has wronged you in so many ways.

[panthertrack]

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And your repeated statement that MOST of the kids that are athletes at UNI get their school paid for is completely wrong, 100 percent.

MOST don't. A select few in the marquee sports do, but if you think that the baseball, track, cross country, etc. teams are walking around for free, you're nuts.

[Whitey81]

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Ok, but those student athletes CHOOSE to be in sports and put in all that time. And yes, many of them DO go to school for free. I'm not sure what your argument about that is. I would say that all of those extra hours that the student athletes put in is worth those thousands and thousands of dollars that they do not have to pay. And I am not talking about a free pass for a test or something of that nature. I'm talking about someone who doesn't even come to class at all and yet gets a passing grade. That happens often, and I know that for sure. Now, I dont want to speak in such general terms such that all student athletes are included in that, because I know that they aren't. In fact, probably the majority of sudent athletes at UNI are hard working and honest students. BUT it does happen WAY more often than it should. Because, frankly, it should not ever happen.

I simply cannot begin to tell you how wrong you are.

Athletes choose to participate in athletics. Schools choose to offer scholarships. Fair trade. You have the same opportunity to play sports and earn a scholarship. Apparently, you chose not to play.

Attendance does not equal a grade. Performance on assignments and tests counts. Do you have all the facts about it "often" happening? Were any arrangements made with the professor in advance about work outside the class?

From my experience, it happened to me 3 times. 2 PE activity courses were required to complete before graduation. I picked "Team Sports - Football" This class was open to every student. Taught by the coaches. I never went after the first day as they were teaching fundamentals of football. I hope they realized I was qualified for that due to my partial scholarship. Got a passing grade. Free ride? Don't think so. I also took a Weight lifting class, also open to all students, taught by the track coach. Spent time everyday in the weight room after track practice. Never went to class. Got an A. I also had a "real" class that was only available during practice hours. I made an arrangement with the professor to complete the class work. I was physically in the classroom twice. I completed every assignment and every test in the prof's office and received a B-. I did all the work but not in class. Free ride? No way.

Does it happen that some athletes get more than I did, yes. Does it happen that some students get more than I did? Yes.

You're taking a stereotype and applying it too broadly and targeted at athletes.

Enough already!