pre-season FB polls

[TravelingPanther]

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Size doesn't really matter in either case. Can the OL actually play, and can they function as a unit? Size is worthless if you're not one mean, athletic, thinking SOB.

Can Grace make smart decisions with the football and get it to Johnny Gray, Lewis, Leonard, etc?

Those answers are yet to be determined.

That's why I said it's debatable. We have the phsyical stuff we need. Just need to see if the mental stuff is there.

[GonzoCat]

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I don't think it's debatable. We are going to have a drop off at OL and QB. Those positons had 3+ year starters in them last year. No matter how good the newcomers are that experience is going to be missing.

[JayJ79]

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I don't think it's debatable. We are going to have a drop off at OL and QB. Those positons had 3+ year starters in them last year. No matter how good the newcomers are that experience is going to be missing.

yes, there is a drop off in experience.
But that doesn't mean there will necessarily be a drop off in the success of the football team as a whole. THAT is debatable, because no one really knows until they actually play the games.

[06panther10]

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I think that alot of the time experience is overrated. Skill, on the other hand, is not overrated. If the players stepping in next year are skilled and talented, they will be good players for us. I bet Indiana State has alot of experience coming back for them next year...But for some reason, I dont think that they are optimistic.

[panther dad]

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some games played in third quater, usually the fourth. he is the least of our worries

[Durf73]

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Inexperience in some keys areas will be a worry, but this coaching staff has done a lot of good stuff red shirting people & we just seem to reload any more, no rebuilding. Pat Grace looks like a real keeper to me ! My biggest worry is..... IT'S AN EVEN ENDING YEAR --> 2008 !! Call me superstitious, but even years always seem to worry me.

All that being said I do believe we will have a good & possibly great football season. I've sure talked to a lot of alumni who only showed up in the past for Homecoming or the play offs who are now buying season tickets. I've even talked to one who is sure he has a local southeast Iowa radio station who is going to join the Panther broadcasting family.

I love the summer, but I can't wait for the fall!

GO PANTHERS !

[speechpanther]

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I think I understand your feeling. It is the same feeling I get when I see that picture of McCAin giving Bush that loving bear hug.

And I get the same feeling when I hear McCain tell American workers that they are not good enough to pick lettuce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6pu5nf8dAU (disregard the comments, just listen to the words from the horse's mouth).

[UNIPNTHR]

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And I get the same feeling when I hear McCain tell American workers that they are not good enough to pick lettuce.

He said they were too good to pick lettuce; that Americans won't lower themselves to do that work for that wage.

[speechpanther]

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He said they were too good to pick lettuce; that Americans won't lower themselves to do that work for that wage.

50 Bucks an Hour? We won't "lower ourselves" for that? Because even at 50 bucks an hour, "You can't do it, my friends."

As a side note, did you even bother listening or finding a transcript before responding? If you did, you'd know it was the union members he was speaking to who said Americans won't pick lettuce for the junk wages offered, NOT Mr. McCain.

[GonzoCat]

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I myself am probably not up to picking lettuce anymore, but I have two kids who can be on a bus Monday for wherever they are paying $50 an hour.

The truth is they don't want to pay what the domestic labor market demands for the job - probably about $10 an hour, so they import illegal slave labor instead.

[JayJ79]

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I myself am probably not up to picking lettuce anymore, but I have two kids who can be on a bus Monday for wherever they are paying $50 an hour.

The truth is they don't want to pay what the domestic labor market demands for the job - probably about $10 an hour, so they import illegal slave labor instead.

and of course, if they did start paying the domestic labor market rates, they'd have to raise the prices for their produce.
Then the same people that complain about imported labor would be complaining about expensive lettuce.

And as far as I know, no one is FORCED to pick lettuce, so it's not slave labor.

[GonzoCat]

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and of course, if they did start paying the domestic labor market rates, they'd have to raise the prices for their produce.
Then the same people that complain about imported labor would be complaining about expensive lettuce.

Right - it's call the free market system. So many so called "free marketers" only believe in it from one side, calling for abolishment of the minimum wage, "let the free market set wages", etc, etc. But when the market sets a higher wage than they want to pay complain that would result in higher prices.

Just because slave labor here pays better than slave labor in Mexico does not make it something else. I'm sure we could open up some sewing companies and get kids from Thailand, Indonesia, Honduras, etc. to come here and work for $15 a day easy. But no one would be forcing them to, that's true.

[speechpanther]

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and of course, if they did start paying the domestic labor market rates, they'd have to raise the prices for their produce.
Then the same people that complain about imported labor would be complaining about expensive lettuce.

And as far as I know, no one is FORCED to pick lettuce, so it's not slave labor.

True and fair response to the previous post, but it doesn't change the fact that McCain believes American workers aren't good enough to pick lettuce...period. I'd like for him to say that in the face of a coal miner.

The sad part for me is that I actually don't mind a lot of McCain's positions on immigration. Its just that his justification is ridiculous.

[Marc Wigim]

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No problem...I'm done...Matt go ahead and disable my account.

You know, some people should post on message boards and some shouldn't.