Please don't anybody...

[Blue42]

Re: Please don't anybody...

No, not really. Since the turn of the decade, Iowa has 2 titles to Western Illinois' one. Iowa has played in the post-season six times, WIU once. Iowa has finished the season ranked 4 times. WIU...once? Twice maybe.

Iowa matters on a national stage. WIU, aside from an odd year here-and-there, does not.

This exchange highlights something that is applicable elsewhere. The only "problem" people I was ever around yesterday was a group of three UNI fans. Perhaps the "problems" some of us have with Iowa fans isn't so much an indication of that fan base, but rather individuals reacting to UNI fans who have a boulder sized chip on their shoulder and search like hungry dogs for any scrap of possible disrespect.

Thanks for the psychoanalysis News. But it's not a chip on the shoulder. The simpler explanation is that some of us just like to call out BS when we see it.

Are you really going to compare playing in the post-season of FBS with the playoffs in FCS? If only 16 teams made bowl games, how many times would Iowa have made it?

And by the way, Iowa at best is on the margin of national relevance. If it were a radar screen, they'd be on the outer ring about 90% of the time.

[Newsbreaker]

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They may be on that outer ring, but they certainly rank somewhere between 20 and 30 in terms of the "top" programs. WIU, IMHO, does not.

[JayJ79]

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Someone should compare winning percentages in the last ten years or so between the two schools.

Okay.

Over the past 10 seasons ('99-'08), the regular season winning percentages:
WIU: .596 (65-44), with 3 postseason appearances (2-3 record)
Iowa: .569 (66-50), with 7 postseason appearances (4-3 record)


And if you stretch it out to the past 13 seasons ('96-'08), it looks like this:
WIU: .655 (93-49) reg. season, w/ 6 postseason appearances (5-6 record)
Iowa: .564 (84-65) reg. season, w/ 9 postseason appearances (5-4 record)

[9YRPLAN]

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i had more excellent pre- and post-game football conversations yesterday than any other iowa or uni game i have ever attended. every fan base has idiots (including the dipsticks sitting behind me, who loved to use the always-popular "come on, do SOMETHING" line whenever there was a bad play) but for the most part everyone I talked to from both sides had a ton of respect for the other side. UNI has on upper-echelon FBS offensive and defensive and line, and when you have that, you have a chance to beat anyone.

i most impressed by grace who seemed to be on the money all game. iowa's o-line about of bulaga was routinely beaten and it was a patchwork crew it still has to cause some worry for iowa fans. i was very impressed with UNI's d-backs as well as the coaches who exploited the soft spots in the iowa secondary.

[Newsbreaker]

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Okay.

Over the past 10 seasons ('99-'08), the regular season winning percentages:
WIU: .596 (65-44), with 3 postseason appearances (2-3 record)
Iowa: .569 (66-50), with 7 postseason appearances (4-3 record)


And if you stretch it out to the past 13 seasons ('96-'08), it looks like this:
WIU: .655 (93-49) reg. season, w/ 6 postseason appearances (5-6 record)
Iowa: .564 (84-65) reg. season, w/ 9 postseason appearances (5-4 record)

Iowa's record in the past 10 years is badly skewed by two terrible seasons. They are no more indicative of the current standing of Iowa Football than the late-90's runs of WIU (probably the best in program history) are of Leatherneck football.

Memories, in terms of program stature, aren't that long.

[06panther10]

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lol. Thats funny Jay, I was going to suggest that you look it up because I knew you would. But I didn't even have to ask.

[SpanishMoon]

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all this talk of stupid Iowa fans, so I took a gander over at an Iowa bored, cuz I needed a laugh.

Someone had this to say about Austin Howard:


So in other words..... he's an offensive lineman.
There is holding on just about EVERY play, and it seems to me that the good o-linemen are the ones who know how to get away with it.

to give the hawkfans credit though, that was in a thread where the original poster was praising Howard (despite not knowing who he was)

There is hoilding all the time but there is Legal and ILLEGAL holding. The good players know what they can do and they push the limits.

[Blue42]

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Iowa's record in the past 10 years is badly skewed by two terrible seasons. They are no more indicative of the current standing of Iowa Football than the late-90's runs of WIU (probably the best in program history) are of Leatherneck football.

Memories, in terms of program stature, aren't that long.

Fair enough. Jay...can you take out both Iowa and WIU's worst and best seasons for the last 10 and see how they compare.

[Newsbreaker]

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Fair enough. Jay...can you take out both Iowa and WIU's worst and best seasons for the last 10 and see how they compare.

You've clearly lost sight of the subject matter being discussed.

[Blue42]

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You've clearly lost sight of the subject matter being discussed.

My favorite part of debating News is the eventual one-liner that says "I'm not too happy how this is turning out so I'm going to try to dismiss you in one sentence".

[Kyle]

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News, I respect your opinions and usually agree with you, but on this subject you are off.

WIU and Iowa, as indicated in the facts presented, are very comparable in their respective sub-divisions.

If you are going to continue to disagree, at least find some facts to back up your position.

[JayJ79]

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Fair enough. Jay...can you take out both Iowa and WIU's worst and best seasons for the last 10 and see how they compare.

sheesh, that's alot of silly stat doctoring.
but since I still had my excel sheet with those stats open, I'll humor you.

last 10 seasons for WIU, knocking out the best ('02 10-1) and the worst ('04 4-7) yields a regular season win percentage of .586

And for Iowa, knocking out best ('02 11-1) and worst ('99 1-10) yields a regular season win percentage of .581

[06panther10]

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Can't believe Iowa went 11-1, but couldn't beat Iowa State. Also can't believe Iowa went 1-11.

[JayJ79]

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WIU and Iowa, as indicated in the facts presented, are very comparable in their respective sub-divisions.

And both are also coached by former Hayden Fry assistant coaches.

[JayJ79]

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Can't believe Iowa went 11-1, but couldn't beat Iowa State. Also can't believe Iowa went 1-11.

Yup, Iowa's lone regular season loss was to the Cyclone team featuring senior QB, Seneca Wallace that year. Though they also lost to USC in the Orange Bowl that year. Interesting note: Iowa State actually played 14 games in 2002.