Official 2010 Panther Football Schedule

[Panther-Sheik]

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ISU -
MBB - obviously it was a bad year, mcdermott was the coach

I don't really want any part of this pissing match since I actually found the article funny and also think the "who's got the bigger, um, credentials" agument is stupid and futile, but I also have to call b.s. on the constant "McDermott" excuse that is perpetuated about ISU b'ball. Did b'ball stink for 4 years? Absolutely and McDermott needs to wear it. But should it all be pinned on McD? Maybe not. The program wasn't exactly tearing it up with consistency before McD, either. It looks more like he took over a fairly shaky program leading up to his hiring.

Year Coach W L W L Conference Finish

2002 Larry Eustachy 12 19 4 12 T-10th, Big 12
2003 Larry Eustachy 17 14 5 11 T-9th, Big 12

2004 Wayne Morgan 20 13 7 9 8th, Big 12
2005 Wayne Morgan 19 12 9 7 T-5th, Big 12
2006 Wayne Morgan 16 14 6 10 T-7th, Big 12
2007 Greg McDermott 15 16 6 10 T-7th, Big 12
2008 Greg McDermott 14 18 4 12 11th, Big 12
2009 Greg McDermott 15 17 4 12 10th, Big 12
2010 Greg McDermott 15 17 4 12 T-9th, Big 12

[crabshack]

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You do realize that you are closer to having to come begging to the Missouri Valley Conference for a home than we are to going non-scholarship in football, RIGHT?

Maybe not, the D1 comment shows your ignorance.

how is pointing out that you play D1-a football, not D1 ignorance?

it simply illustrates that you can't really compare a team that plays in the big XII with a team that plays in the mo valley and say "hey, look, we're better because we have a better record than you do".

considering that a D1 football school has only left a BCS conference once ever (temple) to join a D1-a conference, the likelihood of ISU being relegated to the mo valley if the big XII were to collapse is very unlikely. Big East, MWC, Mac at worst. But right now, it doesn't appear that the big XII is going anywhere. we will see.

[cydave]

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I don't really want any part of this pissing match since I actually found the article funny and also think the "who's got the bigger, um, credentials" agument is stupid and futile, but I also have to call b.s. on the constant "McDermott" excuse that is perpetuated about ISU b'ball. Did b'ball stink for 4 years? Absolutely and McDermott needs to wear it. But should it all be pinned on McD? Maybe not. The program wasn't exactly tearing it up with consistency before McD, either. It looks more like he took over a fairly shaky program leading up to his hiring.

Year Coach W L W L Conference Finish

2002 Larry Eustachy 12 19 4 12 T-10th, Big 12
2003 Larry Eustachy 17 14 5 11 T-9th, Big 12

2004 Wayne Morgan 20 13 7 9 8th, Big 12
2005 Wayne Morgan 19 12 9 7 T-5th, Big 12
2006 Wayne Morgan 16 14 6 10 T-7th, Big 12
2007 Greg McDermott 15 16 6 10 T-7th, Big 12
2008 Greg McDermott 14 18 4 12 11th, Big 12
2009 Greg McDermott 15 17 4 12 10th, Big 12
2010 Greg McDermott 15 17 4 12 T-9th, Big 12

Wayne Morgan actually had a good coaching tenure at ISU, IMO. Although, he was in some hot water with JP, he still took us to the Final Four of the NIT in his first year as HC and the second round of the NCAA tourney the second year. His third year is where it went downhill with that whole mess..
Wayne Morgan won at ISU. Larry Eustachy won big time. Mac lost big time in all 4 seasons, he never had a winning season at ISU. He also had a player attrition problem, that really hurt the continuity of the program.

[crabshack]

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I don't really want any part of this pissing match since I actually found the article funny and also think the "who's got the bigger, um, credentials" agument is stupid and futile, but I also have to call b.s. on the constant "McDermott" excuse that is perpetuated about ISU b'ball. Did b'ball stink for 4 years? Absolutely and McDermott needs to wear it. But should it all be pinned on McD? Maybe not. The program wasn't exactly tearing it up with consistency before McD, either. It looks more like he took over a fairly shaky program leading up to his hiring.

Year Coach W L W L Conference Finish

2002 Larry Eustachy 12 19 4 12 T-10th, Big 12
2003 Larry Eustachy 17 14 5 11 T-9th, Big 12

2004 Wayne Morgan 20 13 7 9 8th, Big 12
2005 Wayne Morgan 19 12 9 7 T-5th, Big 12
2006 Wayne Morgan 16 14 6 10 T-7th, Big 12
2007 Greg McDermott 15 16 6 10 T-7th, Big 12
2008 Greg McDermott 14 18 4 12 11th, Big 12
2009 Greg McDermott 15 17 4 12 10th, Big 12
2010 Greg McDermott 15 17 4 12 T-9th, Big 12

some of those on the list are tournament teams (NIT and NCAA). never the less, McD brought the program to rock bottom. The only place ISU basketball can go from here is up. and considering the roster we will have in 2011, things are looking pretty good

[Panther-Sheik]

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Wayne Morgan actually had a good coaching tenure at ISU, IMO. Although, he was in some hot water with JP, he still took us to the Final Four of the NIT in his first year as HC and the second round of the NCAA tourney the second year. His third year is where it went downhill with that whole mess..
Wayne Morgan won at ISU. Larry Eustachy won big time. Mac lost big time in all 4 seasons, he never had a winning season at ISU. He also had a player attrition problem, that really hurt the continuity of the program.

In five years, big Lar had two excellent years and the rest were no better than ties for 9th in the Big XII. He did win big time for two seasons, but champs to chumps is hardly a consistent program. Morgan was going on a similar roller coaster ride without the excellent seasons. McD has to own the crap that has been ISU b'ball, like I said, but he didn't take over Duke for Coach K for crying out loud.

[cydave]

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In five years, big Lar had two excellent years and the rest were no better than ties for 9th in the Big XII. He did win big time for two seasons, but champs to chumps is hardly a consistent program. Morgan was going on a similar roller coaster ride without the excellent seasons. McD has to own the crap that has been ISU b'ball, like I said, but he didn't take over Duke for Coach K for crying out loud.

I would give anything to have those roller coaster years back. Mac left was with 4 years of nothing. Say what you want about the other coaches having great seasons and then horrible seasons, but right now I'd take those in a heartbeat.
If you told me Fred Hoiberg would be at ISU for 5 years and would be Big 12 champs twice and take us to the Elite 8 once, but the rest of the years were bad, I'd take it.

[JayJ79]

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crabshack, fun little tidbit, UNI has more players in the NFL than Iowa State and we even had our most famous football alumn retire.

according to ESPN's list, both schools have 8 alums in the NFL.

you do realize that you aren't a D1 program and are on the verge of having to resort to non scholarship football, right?

WRONG! Now you go and get a douchey point for not knowing the structure of the NCAA. FCS and FBS are both part of D1.

And no, we weren't "on the verge" of going non-scholly. They studied the possibility of it, but they also studied the possibility of going FBS.

You also realize that if people paid attention to volleyball outside of the Big 6 conferences UNI likely would have been a top 5 or 10 team.

Put Stanford, Kansas State, Baylor, Duke, Florida, or any other "BCS" school on our volleyball uniforms last year and we area 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA's

No. They wouldn't have been a 1 or 2 seed. They weren't better than Penn State, Texas, Nebraska. But they could have been a legitimate top ten team.

[williebat]

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some of those on the list are tournament teams (NIT and NCAA). never the less, McD brought the program to rock bottom. The only place ISU basketball can go from here is up. and considering the roster we will have in 2011, things are looking pretty good

Did you name your screen name after joe's crabshack a chain restaurant found in mall near you.

Was it a tough choice to go with crabshack or cheesecake factory or bennygan

Where is your imagination and creativity?

[crabshack]

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while were on the subject of McD. this is just funny..

http://widerightnattylight.com/2010/08/27/greg-mcdermott-dan-hawkins/

[JayJ79]

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how is pointing out that you play D1-a football, not D1 ignorance?

it simply illustrates that you can't really compare a team that plays in the big XII with a team that plays in the mo valley and say "hey, look, we're better because we have a better record than you do".

thank you for further displaying your ignorance.
btw, D1-a is the former designation for the FBS (85 scholly) subdivision of D1 (i.e. the subdivision that Iowa State somewhat competes in).
the current FCS (63 scholly) subdivision that UNI competes in used to be designated as I-AA. Which is STILL part of division I.

Yes, comparing WL records straight up isn't really a valid comparison between the MVFC and the B12. But then neither is comparing WL between the B12 and the SunBelt, or the MVFC and the OVC, or between the B12 south and the B12 north.

in any case, combatting ignorance with more ignorance just leads to a whole pile of stupid on both sides.

[crabshack]

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Did you name your screen name after joe's crabshack a chain restaurant found in mall near you.

Was it a tough choice to go with crabshack or cheesecake factory or bennygan

Where is your imagination and creativity?

no. to the first two. although I did work at one in high school, that's just a coincidence though.

how do you know that isn't what I refer to my boxer briefs as?

I thought it was creative. apparently not nearly as much as williebat i guess.

[JayJ79]

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no. to the first two. although I did work at one in high school, that's just a coincidence though.

how do you know that isn't what I refer to my boxer briefs as?

I thought it was creative. apparently not nearly as much as williebat i guess.

you refer to your underwear as the "crab shack"?
dude, you really need to see a doctor and get some prescription shampoo

[cydave]

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you refer to your underwear as the "crab shack"?
dude, you really need to see a doctor and get some prescription shampoo

Crabshack, sure beats Herpeshack.

[crabshack]

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thank you for further displaying your ignorance.
btw, D1-a is the former designation for the FBS (85 scholly) subdivision of D1 (i.e. the subdivision that Iowa State somewhat competes in).
the current FCS (63 scholly) subdivision that UNI competes in used to be designated as I-AA. Which is STILL part of division I.

Yes, comparing WL records straight up isn't really a valid comparison between the MVFC and the B12. But then neither is comparing WL between the B12 and the SunBelt, or the MVFC and the OVC, or between the B12 south and the B12 north.

in any case, combatting ignorance with more ignorance just leads to a whole pile of stupid on both sides.

again, not really ignorant, just not choosing to call it by the new title. and it's not like you don't know what I'm talking about either.

I still refer to U.S cellular Field as "Comisky Park", University avenue next to Jack Trice as "Elwood", and the FCS as "D1-a".

I guess I just hate change?

why does it seem that there is always a guy on a message board who feels the need to prove that he is smarter than someone or that an individual is "ignorant" because they disagree? Validation of self worth?

[crabshack]

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Crabshack, sure beats Herpeshack.

i didn't think "Ingrownhairshack" had the same ring to it