Camp Update Thread?

[9YRPLAN]

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At the very least you said that you heard that Farley takes race into consideration when playing players. (technically that is racism but whatever)

That is a MAJOR ACCUSATION that makes our beloved coach look like a jack###

You better either shut up or put up some proof!!

once again, i have had numerous players tell me that they feel like farley, apparently like most coaches and GM's in professional and college sports, feels as though that black players bring more to the table that will benefit the teams W/L record. you continue to ask for proof when i have already mentioned numerous times that these are direct quotes from (now) former players. a least one other poster has suggested that it was a source of tension in the locker room.

these are not my personal opinions. i am simply passing along some interesting information. i did not figure that i would need to add 2 pages of disclaimers to my posts. of course I realize that this is a small sample size and these are subjective opinions. so take it for what its worth, but at least take the time comprehend what I am writing before you jump on your pedestal and start preaching.

i personally believe that football is a sport where skin color makes little to zero difference in ability, but statistics do not support my opinion in most circumstances.

[Newsbreaker]

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but statistics do not support my opinion in most circumstances.

That is untrue. The fact that more black players contribute in a meaningful way does not support the position that skin color matters.

[Panther789]

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these are not my personal opinions. i am simply passing along some interesting information. i did not figure that i would need to add 2 pages of disclaimers to my posts. of course I realize that this is a small sample size and these are subjective opinions. so take it for what its worth, but at least take the time comprehend what I am writing before you jump on your pedestal and start preaching.

You clearly adopted those opinions. Why else would you say that, because of the accusations from these players, you predicted the black QB would start?

It's one thing to throw out these incredibly inflammatory accusations, but to now claim that you weren't doing so takes it to a whole new level.

[9YRPLAN]

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That is untrue. The fact that more black players contribute in a meaningful way does not support the position that skin color matters.

it is a coincidence, then, that there are zero white starting tailbacks or cornerbacks in the NFL and there has not been an american-born caucasian NBA all-star in roughly 10 years?

skin color either matters, or it is perceived to matter by those who make the decisions.

[Panther-Sheik]

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Scholarship dollars matter more than skin color when giving a guy a "benefit of the doubt" in my opinion. A guy that they are giving money to will get the first look and opportunity to earn it over a walk-on. But I also understand this and really wouldn't expect it any other way. It also doensn't mean that a walk-on can't succeed and prosper, they just might have to work a little harder and be a little more persistent.

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No, at those positions the best players happen to be black. The fact that they have black skin doesn't make them run faster, harder, smarter, or better. Skin color is irrelevant.

[9YRPLAN]

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You clearly adopted those opinions. Why else would you say that, because of the accusations from these players, you predicted the black QB would start?

It's one thing to throw out these incredibly inflammatory accusations, but to now claim that you weren't doing so takes it to a whole new level.

once again, please try to follow along.

i dont think skin color matters.

i DO think that it matters to FArley and most execs/coaches, at least at certain positions.

[Panther-Sheik]

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it is a coincidence, then, that there are zero white starting tailbacks or cornerbacks in the NFL and there has not been an american-born caucasian NBA all-star in roughly 10 years?

skin color either matters, or it is perceived to matter by those who make the decisions.

Broad brushes make for sloppy paining.

[Newsbreaker]

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once again, please try to follow along.

i dont think skin color matters.

i DO think that it matters to FArley and most execs/coaches, at least at certain positions.

What exactly do you think the thought process is, here?

Do you think the coaches get together, realize that the white player has a better skill set, is a better leader, and is all-around the superior player, but chooses the black player because black skin" matters" at that position?

Give me a break.

They must think black players are harder to see.

Black players happen to be the better player at some positions on the highest profile football teams. Big deal. Their skin color - the fact that they are black - has nothing to do with it.

[9YRPLAN]

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What exactly do you think the thought process is, here?

Do you think the coaches get together, realize that the white player has a better skill set, is a better leader, and is all-around the superior player, but chooses the black player because black skin" matters" at that position?

Give me a break.

They must think black players are harder to see.

Black players happen to be the better player at some positions on the highest profile football teams. Big deal. Their skin color - the fact that they are black - has nothing to do with it.

i honestly have no idea what you are even trying to say here.

[Newsbreaker]

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i honestly have no idea what you are even trying to say here.

That is not surprising.

I'd explain it to you in super-slow typing and colored words, but you'll just contort yourself into some new, bizarre and unsupportable position and pretend that's where you've been all along anyway.

[Panther789]

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once again, please try to follow along.

i dont think skin color matters.

i DO think that it matters to FArley and most execs/coaches, at least at certain positions.

I never accused you of thinking skin color matters. Its not a difficult distinction.
You think because you aren't being racist that you haven't said anything stupid. Clearly, that's not the case.

You clearly stated that you think it mattered to Farley with respect to the QB situation, and you went on to claim that you were only passing along information.

This thread will eventually get pulled, but your statements here can never be forgotten. You can't possibly be taken seriously.

[9YRPLAN]

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I never accused you of thinking skin color matters. Its not a difficult decision.
You think because you aren't being racist that you haven't said anything stupid. Clearly, that's not the case.

You clearly stated that you think it mattered to Farley with respect to the QB situation, and you went on to claim that you were only passing along information.

This thread will eventually get pulled, but your statements here can never be forgotten. You can't possibly be taken seriously.

I have developed my opinion based on comments from players. so what? is that wrong?

i would hope that farley puts the best players on the field regardless of color.

[Trapped in California]

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it is a coincidence, then, that there are zero white starting tailbacks or cornerbacks in the NFL and there has not been an american-born caucasian NBA all-star in roughly 10 years?

skin color either matters, or it is perceived to matter by those who make the decisions.

I suppose the fact that there are zero Chinese hockey goalies in the NHL proves your point also?

The issue is definitely more complex than what you have selectively presented. Different sports resonate with different cultural subgroups for a multitude of reasons. The NBA is crazy popular in China currently. I am certain that Yao Ming is in part responsible. Maybe its Nike's clever marketing that in the end sells more shoes & jerseys. I am certain that there are more factors than what is presented here.

My point is that selectively finding "facts" that support your position is shortcut that usually does not hold up to scrutiny. Life is messy, things happen, people have prejudices, conscious or unconscious, which may or may not affect their decision making. At the end of the day, all coaches want to win. They will attempt to find the best players, coaches and systems possible. Anything less, and they are only harming their own professional careers.

[9YRPLAN]

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I suppose the fact that there are zero Chinese hockey goalies in the NHL proves your point also?

The issue is definitely more complex than what you have selectively presented. Different sports resonate with different cultural subgroups for a multitude of reasons. The NBA is crazy popular in China currently. I am certain that Yao Ming is in part responsible. Maybe its Nike's clever marketing that in the end sells more shoes & jerseys. I am certain that there are more factors than what is presented here.

My point is that selectively finding "facts" that support your position is shortcut that usually does not hold up to scrutiny. Life is messy, things happen, people have prejudices, conscious or unconscious, which may or may not affect their decision making. At the end of the day, all coaches want to win. They will attempt to find the best players, coaches and systems possible. Anything less, and they are only harming their own professional careers.

that was NOT my point. i was simply refuting newsy's assertion that skin color does not matter whatsoever. whether it is genetics, development, perception, whatever...for some reason, it DOES matter.