Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

[williebat]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

UNI has the fanbase now as we average more fans than a number of MAC schools as well as others in FBS. The fanbase would only increase. We would gain many more fans that we lost in the dual fan scenario.

What about he merits of staying FCS just becuase FCS is fun to watch and the playoffs rock, Until we lose that is.

Personally I like the idea of 1 or more playoff games culminating in NC than playing in one bowl game on ESPN then season over.

For that reason alone I would stay FCS.

[PantherHawk]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

What about he merits of staying FCS just becuase FCS is fun to watch and the playoffs rock, Until we lose that is.

Personally I like the idea of 1 or more playoff games culminating in NC than playing in one bowl game on ESPN then season over.

For that reason alone I would stay FCS.

I agree with you with that statement, i personally hope something changes soon because the current system is wrong.

But if your team can go play in a bowl game and get something like $900,000 wouldn't that be worth it? Plus to have 3 or 4 weeks to prepare for the game and no matter what you are getting a large amount of $$ to play one game. I just think with some small schools hurting for $$ that would be a great outcome. I know its only one game but making up almost half or a third of your budget from one game is pretty good. And that isn't even including the TV $ and what not.

Does UNI get $$ for being in the playoffs? Do they give the school that wins it all any $$? Is their travel paid for by the championship people?

[ubuntuCAT]

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I agree with you with that statement, i personally hope something changes soon because the current system is wrong.

But if your team can go play in a bowl game and get something like $900,000 wouldn't that be worth it? Plus to have 3 or 4 weeks to prepare for the game and no matter what you are getting a large amount of $$ to play one game. I just think with some small schools hurting for $$ that would be a great outcome. I know its only one game but making up almost half or a third of your budget from one game is pretty good. And that isn't even including the TV $ and what not.

Does UNI get $$ for being in the playoffs? Do they give the school that wins it all any $$? Is their travel paid for by the championship people?

I still don't understand all the specifics but UNI's '05 run actually cost money.

[SchniDogg]

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The bowls are all a scam. Just as an example, at the orange bowl last year, the hawkeyes provided free entertainment at halftime with their marching band. The bowl still charged them full face value on the seats for every memeber of the band. Schools end up losing a great deal of money going to bowl games every year between travel expenses, and unsold tickets. Don't get me wrong, they get money back through revenue sharing from the conference, but in the example of the big 10, they'd get that whether they were in a BCS or toilet bowl.

[Panther-Sheik]

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I still don't understand all the specifics but UNI's '05 run actually cost money.

Back then I believe you had to cover all of your own travel expenses, and UNI traveled for 3 straight weeks. I think now the NCAA pays for the travel of the teams, so it wouldn't have as big of a negative impact on UNI today (wish we would find out). I don't think there is any payday for the national champ, though, either. Just a nice big trophy and awesome bragging rights.

[PantherHawk]

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I still don't understand all the specifics but UNI's '05 run actually cost money.

See that is BS, if a team makes a run to the National Title they should get a sum of $$ regardless of what comes of the game. They have all these sponsors getting tv time and they don't split any of that with the teams participating?

The money is the only positive to the bowl system is that no matter what every team gets a little something for participating. I would much rather have a play-off format to replace the BCS and keep the bowls around for the lower teams( i.e if you are not in the top 16 of the BCS, then you go to a bowl.)

Each school would be guaranteed some money for participating in the play-offs and the farther you go, the more $$ you would get.

I think the FCS needs to have a pay-out or something for teams that make the play-offs. I know a few of them get to host 1st round games, but still they need some guaranteed money so that each school doesn't bust their budget on playing in the playoffs.

[SchniDogg]

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Also, i really believe FBS football will radically change within the next 5-10 years. Its only a matter of time before this conference expansion explodes into 16 team mega conferences. Good luck getting into the spotlight if you don't belong to one of them. Just saying, when this hits the fan, i doubt UNI would be one of the "chosen ones" to stay. The team/community just doesn't have the market value to make big $. I bet when that day comes, you'll see 20+ teams coming right back to FCS just so they can remain relevant.

[Panther-Sheik]

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[QUOTE=SchniDogg;255467]Also, i really believe FBS football will radically change within the next 5-10 years. Its only a matter of time before this conference expansion explodes into 16 team mega conferences. Good luck getting into the spotlight if you don't belong to one of them. Just saying, when this hits the fan, i doubt UNI would be one of the "chosen ones" to stay. The team/community just doesn't have the market value to make big $. I bet when that day comes, you'll see 20+ teams coming right back to FCS just so they can remain relevant.[/QUOTE]

This. But not really to remain relevant in my opinion. I think it will be necessary for them to drop down because much if not all of the FBS money will be funneled to those "BCS" Mega conferences. There will still be some ESPN money, but the bowl system might take a major blow. Many of these schools are already in similar financial position as UNI or other FCS schools. In any case, welcome home Western KY and Marshall...and probably the entire Sunbelt, most all of the MAC and Conf. USA.

[ubuntuCAT]

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I love FCS football but it makes me laugh to hear comments like "returning to FCS to remain relevant"

[9YRPLAN]

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The bowls are all a scam. Just as an example, at the orange bowl last year, the hawkeyes provided free entertainment at halftime with their marching band. The bowl still charged them full face value on the seats for every memeber of the band. Schools end up losing a great deal of money going to bowl games every year between travel expenses, and unsold tickets. Don't get me wrong, they get money back through revenue sharing from the conference, but in the example of the big 10, they'd get that whether they were in a BCS or toilet bowl.

if it were that bad of a deal, they would turn the bowl invitation. its been done many times before.

[Chitown Panther]

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My theory on bowls....is it takes money from the north and brings it to the crap hole towns in the south....

I guess that doesn't have to much to do with football however....

[SchniDogg]

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...9.htm#readmore

"Financial filings with the NCAA show nearly half the schools that participated in bowls last season lost money just by showing up to play. Eighteen of 38 schools that provided copies of those reports to USA TODAY showed losses, their balance sheets sagging beneath the costs of travel, lodging, meals and tickets. Twelve schools had deficits of more than $100,000. For three, the shortfall exceeded $300,000."

"Travel alone cost Tennessee $824,964 a year ago. Nebraska spent $644,384 to house and feed its team and the remainder of the Huskers' official entourage. BYU, burned by minimum-purchase requirements common to all bowls, was left holding nearly 13,000 unsold tickets valued at $413,536."

[Panther-Sheik]

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if it were that bad of a deal, they would turn the bowl invitation. its been done many times before.

There is a lot more that goes into accepting a bowl bid than financial gain. If it were all about financial gain, UNI would have declined to play the national championship game in '05 (or even participate in the playoffs for that matter). Just because teams play in the bowl games doesn't mean they are making money by doing so, unfortunately.

[Panther-Sheik]

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...9.htm#readmore

"Financial filings with the NCAA show nearly half the schools that participated in bowls last season lost money just by showing up to play. Eighteen of 38 schools that provided copies of those reports to USA TODAY showed losses, their balance sheets sagging beneath the costs of travel, lodging, meals and tickets. Twelve schools had deficits of more than $100,000. For three, the shortfall exceeded $300,000."

"Travel alone cost Tennessee $824,964 a year ago. Nebraska spent $644,384 to house and feed its team and the remainder of the Huskers' official entourage. BYU, burned by minimum-purchase requirements common to all bowls, was left holding nearly 13,000 unsold tickets valued at $413,536."

Should have waited to post. I have heard this kind of thing in the past. Thanks for posting

[9YRPLAN]

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There is a lot more that goes into accepting a bowl bid than financial gain. If it were all about financial gain, UNI would have declined to play the national championship game in '05 (or even participate in the playoffs for that matter). Just because teams play in the bowl games doesn't mean they are making money by doing so, unfortunately.

thats what im sayin