Appalachian State to FBS?

[CincyPanther88]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-appalachianstate-fbs

[95UNIGRAD]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

Interesting. I think with their continued track record of excellence, they should be just as able to make the leap as Marshall was a while back. Good luck to them (and good riddance, as we vie for FCS titles - tough roadblock).

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

How much of the decision is ego-driven is what I would like to know.

[lakesbison]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

im jealous,

[UNI Fight]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

Western Kentucky

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

Interesting. I think with their continued track record of excellence, they should be just as able to make the leap as Marshall was a while back. Good luck to them (and good riddance, as we vie for FCS titles - tough roadblock).

Unless these schools catch lightning in a bottle and somehow latch on to a major money conference, I have a feeling they will all be back with "us" before too terribly long.

[ubuntuCAT]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

Unless these schools catch lightning in a bottle and somehow latch on to a major money conference, I have a feeling they will all be back with "us" before too terribly long.

Why would they have to make a major conference? Most FBS schools make money off football most FCS schools do not.

[UNI83]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

People like to point to Marshall's first couple years, when they were in the MAC. They had more talent coming from the FCS than the MAC teams did. However, as they were in the MAC they found they had to recruit differently, started losing of the the recruits they were after that they would have gotten had they been FCS. They then moved to CUSA, and have been bad since 2004.

The only school people point to is BSU. I can't explain them, they are an anomaly for sure.


Let's look at the other schools that have moved since 1990....Tell me if this is a list of school that you feel is "great company"

Alabama-Birmingham - 1996 Sun Belt
Arkansas State - 1990 Sun Belt
Boise State - 1996 WAC
Central Florida - 1996 CUSA
Connecticut - 2000 Big East - Got very very lucky by being in the BE for everything else.
FIU - 2005 (Much like FAU, start up program, only FCS due to NCAA rules)
Idaho - 1997 Sun Belt/WAC
Louisiana-Monroe - Sun Belt
Marshall - 1997 MAC/CUSA
Middle Tennessee State - 1999 Sun Belt
Nevada - 1992 WAC
North Texas - 1995 Sun Belt
Troy - 2002 Sun Belt
Western Kentucky - 2009 Sun Belt


Outside of the last 2 seasons at UCONN, the first 5 seasons or so in the MAC for Marshall, and Boise State that is a list of no-body losers of the FBS.

[UNI83]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

Why would they have to make a major conference? Most FBS schools make money off football most FCS schools do not.

It is false that most FBS programs make money.


I hope ASU likes the idea of the Sun Belt, because unless these major changes do end up happening CUSA (sorry MSU fans) isn't really looking to do much except take current FBS teams.

Also, when it comes to overall athletics Appalachian State is a pretty bad athletic department. CUSA is a basketball conference, and that will be considered in any moves they make.

[UNI Fight]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

Why would they have to make a major conference? Most FBS schools make money off football most FCS schools do not.

22 FBS programs made money in 2009-2010

22 out of 120 doesn't sound like a majority to me.

"The report also shows that nearly half of all Division I athletic expenses are derived from salaries and benefits for coaches and administrators or scholarships given to players."

"The net operating results show FBS schools are losing nearly $9.5 million on average, compared with FCS schools that are losing slightly more than $9.1 million and non-football schools at approximately $8.6 million."

Here's the actual 108 page report for those with time and interest

[Panther-Sheik]

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Why would they have to make a major conference? Most FBS schools make money off football most FCS schools do not.

From what I have heard, I don't think that most FBS schools are profitable in football. At least not to any substantial level. Costs are just too high and the only real profitability for schools today comes from t.v. $$..which most FBS schools don't really get to any measurable amount. But why I really believe this is because I think you will see even more major movement by the "big money boys" to separate themselves into an even more elite group in the next 3 - 5 years. One that plays for their own exclusive championship. Might even squeeze out a 4 or 8 team playoff out of the whole thing once they have fully separated themselves. The rest of the FBS teams that aren't invited to this table will become even more irrelevant and less profitable and then we will see a shift of those schools to something less expensive...i.e. FCS football or whatever it will be called at that time. Just a theory so don't kill me over it.

[Panther-Sheik]

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Sorry...was typing mine on lunch while you guys were producing facts

[ubuntuCAT]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

22 FBS programs made money in 2009-2010

22 out of 120 doesn't sound like a majority to me.

"The report also shows that nearly half of all Division I athletic expenses are derived from salaries and benefits for coaches and administrators or scholarships given to players."

"The net operating results show FBS schools are losing nearly $9.5 million on average, compared with FCS schools that are losing slightly more than $9.1 million and non-football schools at approximately $8.6 million."

Here's the actual 108 page report for those with time and interest

I said made money off football. This report is for the entire athletic department. Case in point, iowa state does not make money off athletics as a whole but does make millions of dollars off football. We're talking about a move from fcs to fbs so it only involves football.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5490686

68 made money off football in a tough economy.

[UNI MadCat]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

Interesting. I think with their continued track record of excellence, they should be just as able to make the leap as Marshall was a while back. Good luck to them (and good riddance, as we vie for FCS titles - tough roadblock).

I find this comment interesting -- and its not only you that says it.

We played them once and got in our own way numerous times and still could have won the game.

In fact I think you could often argue that we're the only ones getting in the way of our first FCS title.

[JayJ79]

Re: Appalachian State to FBS?

reading message boards has lead me to believe that UNI has never once been beaten by another team.

All losses are solely due to UNI beating themselves.