Grant Rohach

[jegbomb52]

Re: Grant Rohach

No way. SK was playing like crap and BC and the team were winning. You don't rock that boat. BC's high ankle sprain the last 3 weeks really killed his game. Glad SK played well yesterday when he came in but we kind of caught them playing with less emotion at that point in the game after half and our receivers made some great catches. This team had many more problems than just BC's limited throwing ability. O line and play calling the two most glaring. Those don't get fixed and we can put whoever we want back there with very similar results next year.

what game did Carnes have when healthy? Limited throwing ability? How about no throwing ability. Did Carnes ever have a game where he rushed for more than 40 yards? Have more than 4 rushing attempts? Where was the upside? There isn't one, not that he showed anyway. We could have made David Johnson our QB and although he might not have done better than BC, he couldn't have done worse.

One more thing, yesterday, when we FINALLY put SK back in the game, we ran wildcat with Owens and split SK out to the slot. Why? What is the point of this, take him out of the game. He is ZERO threat to catch the ball. This is just another glaring weakness in our offense game plan.

[panther1]

Re: Grant Rohach

No way. SK was playing like crap and BC and the team were winning. You don't rock that boat. BC's high ankle sprain the last 3 weeks really killed his game. Glad SK played well yesterday when he came in but we kind of caught them playing with less emotion at that point in the game after half and our receivers made some great catches. This team had many more problems than just BC's limited throwing ability. O line and play calling the two most glaring. Those don't get fixed and we can put whoever we want back there with very similar results next year.

You do realize he was 'playing like crap' because he was getting his bell rung every other snap, right? Our offensive line was absolutely terrible the games that SK started. They were still really bad later in the season, but the coaches made positive adjustments. DJ wasn't getting the damn ball at the beginning of the season and teams were pinning their ears back and slaughtering SK. Hell, we would have won at Hawaii easily if the line adjustments were made before that game and a couple middle of the field pass plays were called. Carnes was an athlete, not a quarterback and we won games despite him not because of him. I was a critic of Rennie's passing, but watching Carnes made him look like Joe Montana.

[cydave]

Re: Grant Rohach

in other words, Cheer up Panther fans. It could be worse. What if you cheered for ISU?

Well, you could have cheered on a victory over Iowa...

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Grant Rohach

I'm really not disagreeing with what either of you are saying except what I replied to: that we should have moved SK back into the starting line up even though the team had rallied and won against all odds 5 weeks in a row behind BC. I like SK and have since he signed his LOI. But fact is he stunk all the way through his last full game against SDSU. He stunk early in the season, against Hawaii, and missed a lot of wide open guys streaking down the field or we would have won that game. In the end I really don't care why he stunk, although I agree with you that the o-line is / was a major reason all year. Bottom line is he was given the keys to the car this year and he crashed it a few times. A couple fender benders and finally he totaled it with the pick 6 against SDSU. The keys were taken away. That's football.

Teams were scheming us to take away DJ and make SK beat us. He didn't do it. Again, mostly because of a poor o-line that couldn't give him time to throw or set his feet. Carnes brought something that made defenses play us differently. They had to at least respect his ability to pull the ball and run. DJ and the rest of the team loved the move, and I trust their feelings on that. He also made our porous o-line look a little better by avoiding some sacks or scrambling away for some big gains. Teams dared him to beat them with his arm, but in the back of their mind they knew they couldn't totally sell out against just DJ, either, or BC had the ability to burn them big. Last but not least, he didn't make the big mistake for 5 or 6 weeks in a row. He throws the ball so dam hard that our guys can't catch it, but neither could the defense.

When he got dinged up, though, he went from 1.5 dimensional to almost 0 dimensional. The last 3 weeks he handed the ball off on a faux read option and tried to pass with very little effectiveness. IlSt. sold out on the fact that DJ was all that could hurt them and they were right. BC tried to run once and was about half speed for no gain. Tried to scramble away from a blitz and got caught from behind. He was as ineffective as he's been all year yesterday and it was definitely the right move to lift him and go with SK...yesterday. But to do that earlier in the middle of a winning streak? No way.

Also, the play calling is still baffling to me. First two series, 5 passes and 1 dive to DJ. 3 total yards and 2 punts. No time off the clock, either, so our defense almost literally played the entire first quarter. Maybe the coaches knew BC was unable to run so they shy'd away from running the ball. If that is the case, then they should have changed QB's earlier in the day or earlier in the week. Whatever the game plan was on offense and defense was inadequate yesterday and the game and score showed it. I'm glad SK came in and did well and I hope it leads to bigger and better next year. But if the play calling and the o-line are the same next year as this year don't expect anything other than the usual we have griped about for the past 5 years or so.

[PurpleCatFan]

Re: Grant Rohach

The question that I have is..."how bad of a QB is Black if he never set foot on the field this year when our QB situation was performing at such a below average level this season"

[Panther'73]

Re: Grant Rohach

The question that I have is..."how bad of a QB is Black if he never set foot on the field this year when our QB situation was performing at such a below average level this season"

Don't know about early season, but he was in a boot for a couple later games. Don't know about yesterday.

[run&blade]

Re: Grant Rohach

Next year uni plays at ndsu at Redbirds and at sdsu. That is brutal. I think it is a rebuilding year next season. Not sure a senior qb is the way to go if it goes bad.

[pantherfansince92]

Re: Grant Rohach

Next year uni plays at ndsu at Redbirds and at sdsu. That is brutal. I think it is a rebuilding year next season. Not sure a senior qb is the way to go if it goes bad.

We also host Eastern Washington who will be returning their Walter Payton Award finalist, Vernon Adams at quarterback. Next year's schedule is absolutely brutal.

[achrist70]

Re: Grant Rohach

Along with 1 or 2 FBS games

[pantherfansince92]

Re: Grant Rohach

I forgot we also play at Cal Poly

[UNIdad]

Re: Grant Rohach

in other words, Cheer up Panther fans. It could be worse. What if you cheered for ISU?

Hey, I resemble that remark!

[panther-state]

Re: Grant Rohach

I forgot we also play at Cal Poly

That team is nothing special. Even if we do suffer from the loss of our stars. They took a beating. They took a beating from the Sumner-less Jacks.

[PantherFan2014]

Re: Grant Rohach

SK should have never lost the starting job. In the 7 games he started in he threw for 1,401 yards and had 11 TD passes. In those same 7 games David rushed for 642 yards and had 4 TD's and the defense allowed a total of 2,057 yards--> if you take out the SDSU game in which SK and Carnes split time David rushed for only 564 yards and 2 TDs and the defense allowed 1,740 yards.

When Carnes started Johnson rushed for and average of 50 more yards a game, scored 6 TIMES as many TDs, and the defense allowed almost half the amount of yards (1740 yards to 933 yards).

SK was sacked 5 times against Iowa and still managed to throw for 380 yards in that game. He threw for 150+ yards in all the games he played in except one (SDSU)

The performance of both QBs in the SDSU game does not reflect their ability, but instead poor coaching. Neither QB could establish a rhythm because they were being pulled out as soon as they made a mistake.

Not saying that Kollmorgen had an outstanding year, obviously he struggled in areas, but he deserved to be given a chance once the offensive adjustments had been made and the defense turned around.

Instead of asking for a new QB to come in, we should be hoping SK returns next year.

[TravelingPanther]

Re: Grant Rohach

SK should have never lost the starting job. In the 7 games he started in he threw for 1,401 yards and had 11 TD passes. In those same 7 games David rushed for 642 yards and had 4 TD's and the defense allowed a total of 2,057 yards--> if you take out the SDSU game in which SK and Carnes split time David rushed for only 564 yards and 2 TDs and the defense allowed 1,740 yards.

When Carnes started Johnson rushed for and average of 50 more yards a game, scored 6 TIMES as many TDs, and the defense allowed almost half the amount of yards (1740 yards to 933 yards).

SK was sacked 5 times against Iowa and still managed to throw for 380 yards in that game. He threw for 150+ yards in all the games he played in except one (SDSU)

The performance of both QBs in the SDSU game does not reflect their ability, but instead poor coaching. Neither QB could establish a rhythm because they were being pulled out as soon as they made a mistake.

Not saying that Kollmorgen had an outstanding year, obviously he struggled in areas, but he deserved to be given a chance once the offensive adjustments had been made and the defense turned around.

Instead of asking for a new QB to come in, we should be hoping SK returns next year.

Welcome to the board. Many of us feel the same way and hopefully he returns and is back to the player we saw before he got beat up. I don't have much optimism for him returning, but if he has as good of a work ethic as I think he does, his SR year could still be something special.

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Grant Rohach

Anyone else notice that since Sanders we have had a real and pretty serious QB controversy every year? Maybe 2008 is the exception, when Grace took over and had a good year. Since then, though, it seems that our offense has been a big soap opera every year. Very disruptive and not good.