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  • "Good riddance" camp should be careful what it wishes for.

    Since when did we become so high and mighty that we can start deflecting fans away from Panthernation??? I come back to the site this morning to see numerous posts saying, 'if we lost fans because of this then good riddance!'

    Really??? Is this really what you want??? As my mom always used to say when I was a kid, "think about the consequences of your actions."

    In truth, we, as "real" Panther fans can't control anything that goes on concerning the action on the field. And its no question that this loss hurt and some of the "casual fans" might be turned off from UNI football now; but a lot of good can still potentially come from having the extra 2-3,000 people that this game brought in, whether you want to admit it or not.

    You can jump on people for being "casual fans" but then you have no right to take part in the endless "we don't get enough coverage to grow our fanbase" or "we need people in the Cedar Valley to support UNI, not Iowa (or ISU)" debates.

    Sure, almost by definition a casual fan would never read this board, but what if they did?? What if they heard what you are saying?? How pumped would they be to see that "their" fanbase doesn't want them involved?? Or, worse yet, what if you continue this kind of talk on your dorm floor, in the cafeteria, at your water cooler at work, at church, etc, etc?? Well, mix that attitude and talk with a loss to a D-II team and you've got your wish because you have successfully kept those fans away.

    Look people, its not like we are selling out our stadium. As much as some "real" fans on this board don't seem to be admitting it, we need all the "casual" fans we can get.

    Why??? Oh let me count the ways... ok I'll stick with the two biggest.
    1. Casual fans CAN become "Real" fans -- You don't just become an avid fan overnight; it grows over time. How about as "real" fans you do your job and start converting them and make sure they come back as opposed to just b!tching about them and turning them off of this program and its fanbase? Start talking about the game to people. Focus on the positives. (Hey, as some have pointed out, to the "casual" fan, they might have not realized the magnitude of the loss and just seen it as a good college football game). Start talking about the atmosphere and how loud it was in the Dome when the game got close. Start talking about how much better it is later in the year when the big games/teams come to town. Start talking about how awesome it is that in 3 weeks we get to play a big boy at ISU in a game that we still CAN win. Isn't there a student fan club or something? Have the president send an email to the students urging them to keep up the support, thru thick and thin. Heck, send an editorial to the Northern Iowan and W-CF Courier thanking the fans/students for showing up; focus on the positives of the game and ask them to come back!! Stick with the positives and you can keep a casual fan involved. Focus on the negatives and you'll be sure to have your wish come true as they'll be gone and it will be 10 times as hard to ever get them back.

    2. Financial Impact -- vs D-II teams:
    • 2005 Attendance: 8,900
    • 2004 : 7,100
    • 2003: 9,100
    • SATURDAY: 11,000+


    The money that a "casual" fan spends on tickets, concessions, etc is the same money a "real" fan spends. So, if you REALLY, REALLY don't want them around, keep up this attitude. I for one do because I want the athletic department to reap as many financial benefits as possible because that makes UNI more competitive in the long run and that makes us "real" fans more happy.


    So, did this loss suck?? Heck yes it did!! So maybe your "job" just got a little harder that's all!! Again, we can't control what happens on the field but we can fight the "battle" off the field and that's to get more people interested in UNI athletics. So you have a choice -- you can take the high/positive road and keep the casual fan involved and coming to games (as many of you do so well), or you can blast them and totally turn them off of UNI and its fanbase... I suppose the latter is your perogative, but then I'd have to question how you could ever seriously call yourself a "real" fan.

    EDIT: Changed "fair weather" to "casual" as what 2317 said makes sense.
    Last edited by UNI MadCat; 09-11-2006, 10:51 AM.

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    Mad Cat speaks the truth, I was a casual Panther football fan to start just because I was like, eh its my bros school and I like football. Now I have a serious interest in UNI football. The only score I checked this weekend on the last day of my honeymoon, the UNI game score. It sucked, my wife saw the look on my face and said "what happened?". I guess be appreciative of the casual fans that are beginning to take an interest, they may become big supporters. You never know.

    Go Panthers!!!
    GO PANTHERS!!!

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    • #3
      We want the "casual fan" to become a passionate Panther fan. If they come back next Saturday...they are on their way. If they don't...they are "fair weather" and will never be more than a 1 or 2 times per year boon to the revenue stream in my opinion. We want and need that boon...but we need more casual fans who loved the atmosphere in the Dome and the entire gameday experience to come back because it's good entertainment and they are becoming more than the "casual fan". "Fair weather" fans are just that...and always will be....they need to see a win to come back the following week. I'm not willing to say "good riddance" to them, but I'm not counting on them to fill the seats.
      "10% of life is what happens to you, 90% is how you react to what happens."

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      • #4
        You know having thought about this I too agree with Mad Cat, We do need to encourage these fans to come back in the hopes that EVENTUALLY they will become Die Hards like the rest of us. I know I contradicted this statment in another post (cause I'll probably get ripped for changing my mind) but I think that there is a good valid argument here. Sure they may be fair weather fans for now, but think about what will happen if those same fans think to themselves "Well UNI just had a bad day, Let's go back next week and watch them Beat SDSU."

        I have faith that this loss didn't completely drive away some of our "NEW" fans but I do agree that if we shun them, they will not return.
        The Original PURPLE Wig Guy........ GO PANTHERS
        "You put some dumb red bird, a Hawkeye, and a Panther in a cage, and who do you think is going to win? The Panther would clearly rip the other two to shreds, eat them for dinner (although it would be a small meal for the monstrous beast) and spit out their feathers to make a pillow!"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by General_Panther View Post
          You know having thought about this I too agree with Mad Cat, We do need to encourage these fans to come back in the hopes that EVENTUALLY they will become Die Hards like the rest of us. I know I contradicted this statment in another post (cause I'll probably get ripped for changing my mind) but I think that there is a good valid argument here. Sure they may be fair weather fans for now, but think about what will happen if those same fans think to themselves "Well UNI just had a bad day, Let's go back next week and watch them Beat SDSU."

          I have faith that this loss didn't completely drive away some of our "NEW" fans but I do agree that if we shun them, they will not return.
          No, GP, I don't think you will. Especially because its a change for the good, IMO. I may have been addressing you in this post, indirectly (I didnt pay attention to who was saying these things, just that there were a lot of different posts saying it) but I meant no offense by it and I think you understood that. So, I'm glad I "helped" out and I'm glad to see you will fight the fight to get more fans in the stands!

          The truth is, some of you may have made those statements a lot closer to the end of the game, whereas I've had 40 hours to start the healing process so maybe I can think a little more clearly on it. I just want to make sure that we always remember that we can always have an effect on the "casual" fan both good or bad.

          To 2317 -- I agree with you, and in fact, I will go back and make the change from "fair weather" to "casual" throughout my post because there probably is a difference. I think the point still remains though.

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          • #6
            Madcat-
            I have taken a look at this issue, and changed the perspective. It's more or less how it will only take 2 home games before those fans come back (if they are fair weathered)...and during those 2 home games, it's Family Day and Homecoming, two games where those fair weathered fans won't be noticed (not that we don't need them...just that they aren't necessary to remain at where UNI attendance has been in the past.
            The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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            • #7
              Madcat...I agree with you...I just think there is a very distinct difference between the casual fan and the fair weather fan. It's the casual fan we're trying to win over and trying to get them to come out and tailgate with us next weekend. Fair weather will be at home watching the ISU vs. Iowa game until 2:30 PM and then mow their yard because "I'm not going if they're going to lose."

              Most of Waterloo is not either casual or fair weather. Some are curious...those are the ones we need to work on getting to a tailgate and into some seats at a game. They need to experience "gameday" and have fun. If they do have fun...they will think that's an option on other Saturday's. Then they become a casual fan...they buy some single game tickets when they can...meet some more UNI fans and hopefully someday buy season tickets and contribute to the PSC.

              Fair weather...will come when "it's a big game" and if UNI loses...they won't come back until there's another "big game".
              "10% of life is what happens to you, 90% is how you react to what happens."

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              • #8
                agreed 2317.

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                • #9
                  This is a great forum! And defines how I became a Panther fan... Last year was my first year at UNI as I transfered from Kirkwood. I started going to football games because hell why not they're free for students. I'm not going to lie I knew nothing about 1-AA ball! Once I was in the dome and I saw the games I was like wow this is really high quality football right here at my own school! Then I found panthernation and wow there's lots more people out there that feel the same way! Before I knew it I was in Chatty decked out in purple screaming my lungs out!!

                  casual fans should always be welcomed especially on Panthernation. Had I not been welcomed I would be wearing cardinal and gold on September 30th instead of my purple and gold I WILL be wearing. New students and new casual fans reguardless of their knowledge of panther athletics must be welcomed. They can turn into huge fans!!!!!!
                  Last edited by ubuntuCAT; 09-11-2006, 03:41 PM.
                  "I think they're very good," Farley said of the preseason top 25 Hawkeyes. "But so are we."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sauserj View Post
                    This is a great forum! And defines how I became a Panther fan... Last year was my first year at UNI as I transfered from Kirkwood. I started going to football games because hell why not they're free for students. I'm not going to lie I knew nothing about 1-AA ball! Once I was in the dome and I saw the games I was like wow this is really high quality football right here at my own school! Then I found panthernation and wow there's lots more people out there that feel the same way! Before I knew it I was in Chatty decked out in purple screaming my lungs out!!

                    casual fans should always be welcomed especially on Panthernation. Had I not been welcomed I would be wearing cardinal and gold on September 30th instead of my purple and gold I WILL be wearing. New students and new casual fans reguardless of their knowledge of panther athletics must be welcomed. They turn can turn into huge fans!!!!!!

                    Very cool story Sause! One we definitely love hearing and one I think is definitely becoming more and more typical of a lot of students -- awesome! For many, Saturday was their first-ever 1-AA/UNI football game and I hope they all had a great time and will be back this weekend and the rest of the season!

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                    • #11
                      It reminds me of those who had their panties in a wad about people who are 'dual fans' last year. In one thread, people would claim that people could really only be loyal to one team and that if you liked someone else you weren't a real fan, then in the next thread everyone would whine that not enough people were supporting the team.
                      UNI isn't exactly splitting atoms in terms of academics. -run&blade

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                      • #12
                        I was excited to see so many people in the dome on saturday. best opening game i can remember in a while. was thinking we might get a sell out for homecoming. I'll take whoever we can get. I think UNI should hit up the Blackhawks market. Get some more loud and rowdy fans in the stadium. Sold out games in the Dome with a loud crowd was a big part of our run in the 90s.
                        Selling a lot of old UNI stuff here: http://www.panthernation.com/showthread.php?t=65762

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