Where UTM, EIU and Hampton would finish this year in the Gateway....

[Pantherpower]

Where UTM, EIU and Hampton would finish this year in the Gateway....
1) YSU
2) (tie) ISU and UNI
4) SIU
5) WKU
6) WIU
7) (tie) Hampton, UTM, EIU
Last) InSU

[Matt Trump]

Add Montana St to that list after WIU and tied for 7th

[BCPanther]

You forgot TA and those fightin' Bears of SMS in last place!! And just to nitpick WKU beat SIU and therefore finished 4th

[unifan]

It'd probably be a 4-way tie for last place. I bet it'd be pretty hard to compete in that loaded Ohio Valley they had this year...

[Panthers to the Bone]

Western Illinois 42
@ Northern Colorado 28

Northern Colorado 10
@ Montana State 13

[joecooll6]

This sounds a lot like ACC fans complaining last march about the MVC.

[Matt Trump]

This sounds a lot like ACC fans complaining last march about the MVC.

This is apples to oranges. 2 TOALLY different sports and tournaments. The other thing to consider is that these teams all had common I-AA opponents and basketball rarely does. Plus we had 2 quality I-AA conference wins and MSU and EIU had zero.

[Pantherpower]

This sounds a lot like ACC fans complaining last march about the MVC.

Completely different circumstances, young Skywalker.

[joecooll6]

They are different. I dont mind the complaining about EIU and MSU so much as I do the complaining about conferences getting automatic bids. But if you do remember, the ACC fans kept making posts saying "Where the MVC teams would finish in the ACC", and that iritated me at least, I dont know about you guys.

[Pantherpower]

I'll go back to the revoking the autobid argument. In many cases, the autobid from the OVC or MEAC hosted the 1st round. In fact, just last year Hampton was seeded!!!

If nothing else, their ability to receive a seed is completely unjustified. Furthermore, in the NCAA Tournament, the reason (at least until last year) that many mid major conferences had abysmal records against the BCS conferences is that they were pitting 14 vs. 3 seed 15 vs 2 seed, etc.

In the CS format, these teams from weaker conferences have consisitently demonstrated that they can't win against Big Sky, Gateway, SoCon, A-10, or Southland teams DESPITE often having homefield advantage.

Your position has merit, no doubt, but in this case we'll just have to agree to disagree on how the committee selects participants. I really think some adjustments need to be made.

[Newsbreaker]

Western Illinois 42
@ Northern Colorado 28

Northern Colorado 10
@ Montana State 13

Simply to be consistent, because I've said this on here before during other discussions, the above isn't terribly instructive. Matchups are so important in football, you simply can't make that kind of comparison.

FOR INSTANCE...Ill State beats SIU, SIU beats UNI, UNI beats ISU.

[joecooll6]

I'll go back to the revoking the autobid argument. In many cases, the autobid from the OVC or MEAC hosted the 1st round. In fact, just last year Hampton was seeded!!!

If nothing else, their ability to receive a seed is completely unjustified. Furthermore, in the NCAA Tournament, the reason (at least until last year) that many mid major conferences had abysmal records against the BCS conferences is that they were pitting 14 vs. 3 seed 15 vs 2 seed, etc.

In the CS format, these teams from weaker conferences have consisitently demonstrated that they can't win against Big Sky, Gateway, SoCon, A-10, or Southland teams DESPITE often having homefield advantage.

Your position has merit, no doubt, but in this case we'll just have to agree to disagree on how the committee selects participants. I really think some adjustments need to be made.

I think that every conference that meets the guidelines deserves an auto bid, whether or not they have proven they can win in the past. Do I think they should be given home games, or a 2 seed (a la Hampton last year)? Absolutely not. If they want to be seeded they need to play tougher competition in the regular season and earn it. Hampton as a 2 seed last year was an absolute joke. I do believe the MEAC and the Patriot league deserve auto bids, but those teams that get in with the auto bids should be playing on the road against the best teams in the nation in the first round, unless they have proven that they are competitive with the best teams from the best conferences earlier in the season.

[joecooll6]

Simply to be consistent, because I've said this on here before during other discussions, the above isn't terribly instructive. Matchups are so important in football, you simply can't make that kind of comparison.

FOR INSTANCE...Ill State beats SIU, SIU beats UNI, UNI beats ISU.

Not to mention this score
Western Illinois 24
UNI 13

[Mountain Panther]

Not to mention this score
Western Illinois 24
UNI 13

That score does not bother me, since WIU was due for a win. What bothers me is when you schedule a D2 school at home, YOU WIN THE GAME....PERIOD.

[joecooll6]

Agreed, but PTTP was making the comparison between Western Illinois and Northern Colorado and Montana State, he forgot to mention that we lost to Western Illinois.