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  • #16
    I've never seen that contract before, thanks for posting. In a quick read, it looks like his guaranteed annual minimum is $410K, plus bonuses for post season play and honors and APR levels, plus incidentals (cell phone, car, tickets). So firing him prior to 12/31/18 would require a payout of $1,230,000 plus whatever bonuses might be earned this year. After 1/1/19 it drops to $615K plus bonuses, so basically in half. I don't know what our APR or avg attendance numbers are, but I assume he is earning between $10-15K for those. Pretty sure there won't by any post season play or honors bonuses this year to worry about.

    So my advice is 1) wait until after the end of the year, and 2) raise the $615K and take it to Harris with your grievances. Pretty sure that's just walking around money for guys like run&blade or clenz. You might be able to sell him on loss of revenue costing us more, but when you have doubled the price of tickets it's hard to know whether it is performance or economics that accounts for attendance decreases. I think the regular posters on this board (50 or 60?) are unanimous in wanting a change. It would be nice if the other 5,000 members would participate in a poll so we had a better idea where the overall fan base stands.

    I'm not convinced AD Harris feels the need for a change. In our worst season in memory we are probably going to finish 6-5. He comes from a place where 6-6 gets you a bowl game, 7-5 gets you a bowl game people have heard of, and 8-4 gets you a New Years Day or after bowl. Our worst year is one they go over the moon for in Ames, where they only make a bowl game every 30 years or so on average. Our better years are win totals they can only dream about seeing in their lifetimes. So he may not see the problem. PSC donations set a new record every year and with the steady price increases ticket revenue probably does as well. Those are the things I think he cares about, not fan boards.

    In actuality, after 1/1/19 it will never be cheaper to fire him thru the end of his contract, his appearance money goes up $20K every year and there will be years with bigger bonuses. If you get into the last 2 years of his contract and no one is talking about a new one/extension, he may see the handwriting and walk away. Or he may take every last penny and retire in 2021.

    I used to think he could get a big time defensive job, but I'm not so sure anymore. As the offensive side of the game has continued to mover further and further beyond his grasp, his ability to defend those offenses has also continued to slide, just not as fast. We have never had a great pass defense.
    Last edited by GonzoCat; 11-10-2018, 06:22 PM.
    GO PANTHERS!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GonzoCat View Post
      I've never seen that contract before, thanks for posting. In a quick read, it looks like his guaranteed annual minimum is $410K, plus bonuses for post season play and honors and APR levels, plus incidentals (cell phone, car, tickets). So firing him prior to 12/31/18 would require a payout of $1,230,000 plus whatever bonuses might be earned this year. After 1/1/19 it drops to $615K plus bonuses, so basically in half. I don't know what our APR or avg attendance numbers are, but I assume he is earning between $10-15K for those. Pretty sure there won't by any post season play or honors bonuses this year to worry about.

      So my advice is 1) wait until after the end of the year, and 2) raise the $615K and take it to Harris with your grievances. Pretty sure that's just walking around money for guys like run&blade or clenz. You might be able to sell him on loss of revenue costing us more, but when you have doubled the price of tickets it's hard to know whether it is performance or economics that accounts for attendance decreases. I think the regular posters on this board (50 or 60?) are unanimous in wanting a change. It would be nice if the other 5,000 members would participate in a poll so we had a better idea where the overall fan base stands.

      I'm not convinced AD Harris feels the need for a change. In our worst season in memory we are probably going to finish 6-5. He comes from a place where 6-6 gets you a bowl game, 7-5 gets you a bowl game people have heard of, and 8-4 gets you a New Years Day or after bowl. Our worst year is one they go over the moon for in Ames, where they only make a bowl game every 30 years or so on average. Our better years are win totals they can only dream about seeing in their lifetimes. So he may not see the problem. PSC donations set a new record every year and with the steady price increases ticket revenue probably does as well. Those are the things I think he cares about, not fan boards.
      I will save the $650k and just go to Iowa state games. Just because an AD is dumb enough to give him that money doesn’t mean fans will just accept it.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by run&blade View Post

        I will save the $650k and just go to Iowa state games. Just because an AD is dumb enough to give him that money doesn’t mean fans will just accept it.
        Do us all a favor and follow through on that.
        Winning is more fun than losing.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Blue42 View Post

          Do us all a favor and follow through on that.
          Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Uni needs both of you.

          complainers that go to games is better than what is coming.

          Whats coming is silence and an empty dome.
          Last edited by run&blade; 11-10-2018, 06:57 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by run&blade View Post

            Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Uni needs both of you.

            complainers that go to games is better than what is coming.

            Whats coming is silence and an empty dome.

            Yes, money (ticket sales) talks.

            I have not been to a game in two years now. I don't see that changing. Why pay for the ticket, gas, food, etc. to be frustrated by this team?

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            • #21
              In what strange world does Indiana State make the playoffs and UNI stays home?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by run&blade View Post

                Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Uni needs both of you.

                complainers that go to games is better than what is coming.

                Whats coming is silence and an empty dome.
                No kool-aid drinking here Skippy.

                Just an actual UNI fan.

                You've been blowing smoke on here for two weeks about heading to Ames and becoming an Iowa State fan. Cuz I'm sure that's the kind of guy you are.

                So go. Back your little bag and get the F out.

                No need to say anything else. No need to drag it out. No need to continue with your nonsensical posts. Just go.

                I'm assuming I'll never see another post from you and you'll be spending all your time on Cyclone Fanatic from now on.
                Winning is more fun than losing.

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                • #23
                  Great question, though it hasn't happened yet. The Trees first W was against D-II Quincy, and they still have to go to Macomb. If the Necks are in the mood to play some FB, I think they win. Funny though, the YSU announcers were bemoaning their team's under-performance for the season, as well as the MVFC likely (in their view) getting only 3 playoff bids, where at least 4 seemed likely earlier in the season. Right now, I'd guess only two, due to the rest of the conference taking turns stepping on their own d*cks.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Blue42 View Post

                    No kool-aid drinking here Skippy.

                    Just an actual UNI fan.

                    You've been blowing smoke on here for two weeks about heading to Ames and becoming an Iowa State fan. Cuz I'm sure that's the kind of guy you are.

                    So go. Back your little bag and get the F out.

                    No need to say anything else. No need to drag it out. No need to continue with your nonsensical posts. Just go.

                    I'm assuming I'll never see another post from you and you'll be spending all your time on Cyclone Fanatic from now on.
                    You hate me because time has proven me correct. I am the majority. The thousands of empty seats are on my side.

                    there is no future until Farley is gone.
                    I will be back when he is gone.

                    Basically discussing UNI football with Farley as coach is like arguing over a pair sunglasses while the space ship you are on is crashing into the sun.
                    Last edited by run&blade; 11-11-2018, 11:15 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by run&blade View Post

                      there is no future until Farley is gone.
                      I will be back when he is gone.
                      I look forward to hearing from you in a few years (and not until). But we all know you can't stay away

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                      • #26
                        Hey, we all have things in life we know we should walk away from but can't because we love them. In the scheme of life, Sports is fairly meaningless and can be extremely frustrating to watch. If I was smart I would stop watching our teams, but no matter how many times I might try, I still love them like I have for the past 30 years and continue to watch the train wreck.
                        Selling a lot of old UNI stuff here: http://www.panthernation.com/showthread.php?t=65762

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                        • #27
                          For me, it's more than wins / losses. The tailgating and game atmosphere is a social event. See people I haven't seen in years, meet new friends, appreciate the players parents. Yes, I would like to see a national championship but I don't give up if we fall short of our goal.

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                          • #28
                            Gonzo,
                            David Harris completely understands that we need a winning, successful, healthy football program in order for our whole athletic department to thrive.
                            "...the Northern Iowa men's basketball team reached the ultimate highs before hitting a devastating low. Unexpected success, followed by unimaginable failure. And they owned it -- all of it -- for the world to see. Like men. Like leaders. Like champions -- in a way no tournament bracket could ever define."

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                            • #29
                              Does he feel like we have a healthy football program though? I was fully optimistic coming into this season, but I am fully on board that come January, the change needs to happen. Even watching the interviews with coach now, he has the look of someone that is defeated and can't figure it out. I don't hear the passion and fight left or even the ability to put on the public face to energize the fans. The time has come.
                              If computers ruled college basketball the way they do football, we'd have skipped all this March Madness monotony and just waited a month for the Kansas-Kentucky title game. And watched Northern Iowa play Cornell in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl. ~ Dwight Perry The Seattle Times

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Born-a-Panther View Post
                                Gonzo,
                                David Harris completely understands that we need a winning, successful, healthy football program in order for our whole athletic department to thrive.
                                Right, but my point was how does he define winning and successful, especially given where he came from? Let's face it, our standards are pretty darn high. For some on this board it's NC or bust, most are a little more reasonable, but not happy with where we are, including myself. But 90% of DI programs would kill to be at our level, i.e. near the top annually of the by far toughest conference in the country, making the playoffs 4 out of 5 years, etc. I guess the closest FBS analogy I can think of is Nebraska, a place where because of some long past success they expect their coach to have them in the NC hunt every year despite the fact that there is absolutely no compelling reason for top recruits to come to Nebraska. Comparing UNI to NE makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

                                Speaking of health, maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any report on Briley's condition. Can anyone bring me up to date?
                                GO PANTHERS!

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