NDSU to Mountain West

[Blue42]

A full revenue share in the Mountain West is about $6 million. Assuming NDSU will get less as they are football only. Say they get $4.5. They'll spend that on the football program easy with player pay model in place today.

They're not gonna make any real money on bowl games. The games they'll qualify aren't big money makers once you pay your travel costs.

They'll generate more revenue from their fan base...for the next few years at least. After that...they gotta win to keep them coming back.

I think this is the right move for them. But the reality is they move up in revenue with a corresponding increase in expenses. And if you struggle in the W-L columns over time...it has a downside. See Wichita State hoops.

Not sorry to see them go.

[Purple member]

The cost for them to buy games will increase also. They will probably still buy at least 1 FCS per year, but buying FBS teams won’t be cheap

[CletusCat]

I think this is the right move for them. But the reality is they move up in revenue with a corresponding increase in expenses. And if you struggle in the W-L columns over time...it has a downside. See Wichita State hoops.

Not sorry to see them go.

Exactly. Probably the right move, but they're making their margin for error razor thin.
Great analogy with Wichita (also see Chicago, Loyola).

[BCPanther]

The cost for them to buy games will increase also. They will probably still buy at least 1 FCS per year, but buying FBS teams won’t be cheap

They won't buy FBS games. They'll get bought.

[MVCBeat]

$17M and their travel costs aren't really changing. It's not an all sports move and they were flying football everywhere anyway, once you're in the air cost doesn't change much regardless of where you're going.

They absolutely did the right thing for themselves. They've got the money and they'll make more money in a year there than 10 in the FCS. No brainer.

I just hope this starts to get the FCS back to the cost controlled, like minded level it used to be.

I'd bet you donors are footing a significant majority of that bill.

[MVCBeat]

The cost for them to buy games will increase also. They will probably still buy at least 1 FCS per year, but buying FBS teams won’t be cheap

They should, in theory, get paid more to get bought by P5 teams though. Although not sure many P5 teams will want anything to do with them.

[BCPanther]

They should, in theory, get paid more to get bought by P5 teams though. Although not sure many P5 teams will want anything to do with them.

That would actually be the funniest imaginable outcome. The finances don't work at that level if you don't get bought 3 times over every two year period. Would be just hilarious if they can't get bought.

[QCPanther05]

They should, in theory, get paid more to get bought by P5 teams though. Although not sure many P5 teams will want anything to do with them.

G6 buy games cost more because only one FCS win can count towards bowl eligibility. So having two FCS buy games a season is a no-go (not mention fans would be pissed). G6 teams get quite a bit more.

[MVCBeat]

G6 buy games cost more because only one FCS win can count towards bowl eligibility. So having two FCS buy games a season is a no-go (not mention fans would be pissed). G6 teams get quite a bit more.

Right. If someone is willing to play them.

[northwest iowa panther]

Pretty sure this sums up what the Mountain West and now the addition of NDSU are having to deal with.

To maintain compliance with the federal Title IX law, any scholarship increases in a men’s sport will likely need to be replicated in a women’s sport, driving up the additional costs. But not all programs can afford to add so many additional scholarships. Some administrators are in the process of “tiering” their sports by decreasing investment on certain programs and increasing investment in others. This includes staff and salary cuts as well as the reduction in scholarships from Olympic sports, especially those that generate little to no revenue.

Ross Dellenger Senior College Football Reporter, Yahoo Sports
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The power four schools will undoubtedly up their full scholarships to match the 105-person roster limit. The group of six may utilize more what is currently the way fcs partials 63 full into 85 players receiving some amount of financial aid (85 full partialed out to 105). Whichever total NDSU decides they will have to increase scholarship opportunities to female athletes.

[BCPanther]

Pretty sure this sums up what the Mountain West and now the addition of NDSU are having to deal with.

To maintain compliance with the federal Title IX law, any scholarship increases in a men’s sport will likely need to be replicated in a women’s sport, driving up the additional costs. But not all programs can afford to add so many additional scholarships. Some administrators are in the process of “tiering” their sports by decreasing investment on certain programs and increasing investment in others. This includes staff and salary cuts as well as the reduction in scholarships from Olympic sports, especially those that generate little to no revenue.

Ross Dellenger Senior College Football Reporter, Yahoo Sports
·
The power four schools will undoubtedly up their full scholarships to match the 105-person roster limit. The group of six may utilize more what is currently the way fcs partials 63 full into 85 players receiving some amount of financial aid (85 full partialed out to 105). Whichever total NDSU decides they will have to increase scholarship opportunities to female athletes.

NDSU is actually in good shape Title IX wise. Their student body is basically 50/50 male/female so they don't have the huge disparity that most 'teachers colleges' have where football becomes a big problem. They may have add a few but they were already at more female athletes than male.

[QCPanther05]

NDSU is actually in good shape Title IX wise. Their student body is basically 50/50 male/female so they don't have the huge disparity that most 'teachers colleges' have where football becomes a big problem. They may have add a few but they were already at more female athletes than male.

Yeah, I’ve read somewhere that they’re actually ok on the scholarship issue. Still, FBS programs are massively more expensive. It’ll be an interesting experiment. Everyone points to JMU as an example of an FCS school that has “made it” in the FBS, but JMU charges every student 3k a year in athletic fees, more than any school in the nation. I would rather have my school have crappy sports than have students bear that kind of cost. It actually disgusts me and takes all the shine off what that program has done. You don’t have a real program if students are paying for it.

[BCPanther]

Yeah, I’ve read somewhere that they’re actually ok on the scholarship issue. Still, FBS programs are massively more expensive. It’ll be an interesting experiment. Everyone points to JMU as an example of an FCS school that has “made it” in the FBS, but JMU charges every student 3k a year in athletic fees, more than any school in the nation. I would rather have my school have crappy sports than have students bear that kind of cost. It actually disgusts me and takes all the shine off what that program has done. You don’t have a real program if students are paying for it.

1000%.

Students shouldn't be going into debt to make sure fellow students make money to play a game. What JMU does is bordering on criminal.

[MVCBeat]

The tiering system is so antithetical to what college athletics is supposed to be. I know we are way, way past that. And it is a full on business. But it is a business that operates at a loss most places. How long can that continue without major change for the majority of DI schools outside the P4?

[06panther10]

Its crazy how competing for National titles has been a part of NDSU football since its inception, and now that is gone forever. They will never win another national championship for the rest of time.