AGS Poll

[speechpanther]

News- How is the AGS poll all that different than the Media poll, especially at the FCS level? It's hard to deny that local sports media is biased too. They may not use the colorful descriptors used by AGS posters, but at the heart, I don't see the difference.

Of course, you are speaking to someone who largely finds all polls useless until Week 8, so I probably would argue about any comment regarding the polls.

[Newsbreaker]

At the FCS level, all polls are almost totally useless. Hell, there's a bunch of SID's filling out the coaches poll at various levels of play as well.

At least with the media, these are people who are "professionals" in some way, and hopefully do their homework.

[Chitown Panther]

At the FCS level, all polls are almost totally useless. Hell, there's a bunch of SID's filling out the coaches poll at various levels of play as well.

At least with the media, these are people who are "professionals" in some way, and hopefully do their homework.

I'm not here to change your mind news.....but many of the posters on AGS really do their homework. I voted in the poll up until 2 years ago....but couldn't dedicate the time so I quit.

Regarding your media....the problem is covering I-AA/FCS football seems to be a stepping stone for many in the media. Atleast www.sportsnetwork.com who has the official poll has gone through 2 chaps in 3 years that are supposed to be I-AA experts. I'd go on record against Matt Dorherty and his prior mentor any day with regards to FCS football. Who takes his job can't know that much either....probably some recent grad gettin his nutz wet.....

I think many people forget that I-AA/FCS fans have been fans of these schools their whole lives. Not given some job....becuase it was the best they could get and are forced to cover a certain team or conference.

Another thing that I like about the AGS Poll is its deadline for voting....which requires them to vote off their research and not copy the Sportsnetwork Poll.

Will there be Montana homers....yes....but having over 100 voters gives a pretty fair indication of where teams should be.....

[ralph]

At the FCS level, all polls are almost totally useless. Hell, there's a bunch of SID's filling out the coaches poll at various levels of play as well.
At least with the media, these are people who are "professionals" in some way, and hopefully do their homework.

Then explain why the AGS Poll has been the most accurate every year in predicting playoff teams? More accurate than the media, more accurate than the coaches.

You display woeful knowledge of the polling process and participants so you need to get educated.

I'll leave it at that.

[Newsbreaker]

That's the kind of evidence that isn't really evidence at all.

If it were the most adept at predicting playoff RESULTS, that might be another matter, but that's not what you asserted.

I understand why you need to defend it, Ralph. It is just about the same as any poll...ie, barely worth the paper it's printed on. They are fun to look at, but that's their only real utility.

We live in an age of self-appointed and amature media. Some of them are very good at what they do, and have a great passion, but there are intricacies and shortcomings (as with traditional media) that the consumer needs to be cognizant of.

[Khan4Cats]

That's the kind of evidence that isn't really evidence at all.

If it were the most adept at predicting playoff RESULTS, that might be another matter, but that's not what you asserted.

I understand why you need to defend it, Ralph. It is just about the same as any poll...ie, barely worth the paper it's printed on. They are fun to look at, but that's their only real utility.

We live in an age of self-appointed and amature media. Some of them are very good at what they do, and have a great passion, but there are intricacies and shortcomings (as with traditional media) that the consumer needs to be cognizant of.

Um, Wow. Predicting Playoff results? Isn't that what the so-called BCS polls are supposed to do? Eliminate the whole playoff thing to get down to only two teams with a chance to play for a "voted" national 'championship'. It seems to me that the prupose of polls at the FCS level would be to establish the 16 teams that should have the opportunity to compete for an actual national championship. The AGS poll, as Ralph points out, has done the bst job at accurately predicting that. Which is pretty good for a bunch of 'homers' (even amateurs) and not self-declared media "experts". Do you really believe that some of the hordes of media that follow UNI would have any better knowledge of the rest of FCS?

But yes, let's switch to a poll for our playoff results, then we won't have to waste all that time in December with travelling and playing games.

[PantherFan]

Then explain why the AGS Poll has been the most accurate every year in predicting playoff teams? More accurate than the media, more accurate than the coaches.

You display woeful knowledge of the polling process and participants so you need to get educated.

I'll leave it at that.

If the purpose of the poll is to predict playoff teams, why are North Dakota State and Yale in the top 25? NDS isn't eligible this year and Yale can't because of conference restrictions.

[JayJ79]

Because NDSU is better than many of the teams in the top 25.
(not sure about Yale, since they haven't even played a game yet).
Playoff prediction isn't the ONLY reason for the polls.
Polls are mostly just about fan ego, so that fans can say "mine team is better than your team". Even if it's all a matter of opinion and guesswork.

Wow, people are really grumpy around here. But I suppose "pointless drama" is one of the main characteristics here on the internet (second only to porn).

I find it funny that people argue so much about the different polls when they're all quite similar anyway.

[speechpanther]

I find it funny that people argue so much about the different polls when they're all quite similar anyway.

And we have a winner

[Newsbreaker]

They are similar, and that's been a big part of my point.

[Khan4Cats]

Probably the biggest reason for polls is for fans of one team to act big by chanting "over-rated" as their team apparently is beating a not-really-so-good team. I really dislike that chant.

However, on hind thought, it might have been cool to have an "overclassified" chant going last Saturday.

[JayJ79]

such chants are incredibly stupid.
it's like saying "we didn't win because we're good. we won because you suck".

Stupid.

[Chitown Panther]

They are similar, and that's been a big part of my point.

mine too......