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  • James' Redshirt

    Okay, I am going to start a thread that may surprise some people that I have been in disagreement with Coach Jake's overall coaching success/failure (depending on your point of view).

    This was mentioned in the Marquette thread but I think needs to be a separate thread.

    Let me preface by saying this is what I see as of right now. I am hoping that using James this year means that he will get enough playing time to justify having him active AND that that playing time is able to add significant contributions to the team's overall success.

    I like what I saw in James in the exhibitions in terms of athleticism and potential to add a different dimension to our offense. I disagree with people that say he needs to get bigger. If you look at his legs, they are very solid. His arms are more wiry, but some people are just built that way. I think he would be fine physically. I am more worried about his understanding of our offensive system, tough for any freshman (or JC) to pick up and I think we will see Johnny and Ali make mistakes during the year with it as well, and even more worried about his grasp on the defensive side of the game. I think a year redshirting would be beneficial in both of those aspects.

    As for pulling the redshirt. Who is going to have PT cut in order for James to see the floor? That is where I have the biggest problem. James is not really a PG, so I don't see him eating in KA's or Brian Haak's time. Johnny and Ali can play PG and the 2. James is too short to play the three, so he would be stuck behind both Johnny, Ali,a nd Travis there. Kerwin has the added height advantage that allows him to play taller 3's and even some 4's.

    That leaves Jon Montgomery. Well, if was going to play over Montgomery, maybe we should have red-shirted Jon this year. Given a choice between the two players, I like what Montgomery brings in terms of defensive intensity. On offense he is sporadic, but he does go after offensive boards decently.

    For those that are saying James was in a play me or I'll leave mode. Jake should have called his bluff on that. How many other D-I offers did he have, anyways? In addition, if he plays, even only sparingly, and still decides to transfer; he has the redshirt year available to him if he chooses to transfer to another D-I school and he would still have three years of eligibility left for that school. (Obvisously doesn't matter if he transfers lower or to a Juco). But if he redshirts this year and then decides to transfer. He would be forced to go lower or to a juco if he wants to play next year, or he would HAVE to sit out a year, per NCAA rules, and only have 3 years of eligibility to play. I don't say that to be mean or anything, it's just that the coach really has more options at his disposal in this situation than to accept any kind of "play me or I'll leave" option.

    Again, I am really hoping that this all works out for the best and James and everyone else on the team is able to contribute to a winning season.

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    If Reed gets his medical redshirt, (I understand that it is a big if) it would make more sense to redshirt next year. Keep in mind last year Barz redshirted and then left the program, wasting a year of a scholarship. If he can contribute even a little, and he wants to play, I think it is worth it to let him play. Unfortunately, what I see happening is that he doesn't get the minutes he expects and likely leave next year, saving his redshirt for the transfer year.

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      "play me or I'll leave" scares me...I can easily see James not playing much the next few weeks & going home for Xmas & never coming back.

      His game needs polishing & in two years he could be really special. But hopefully this accelerates the process & he develops into a SuPeRsTaR here @ UNI!

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        Reed cant get a MRS since he already received one and already sat out one year for the transfer. According to him, he's done.

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        • #5
          Re: James' Redshirt

          Originally posted by Purrrrrfect View Post
          Reed cant get a MRS since he already received one and already sat out one year for the transfer. According to him, he's done.
          He can still pettition the NCAA for an extra year, whether he wants to do that or not I don't kow. The NCAA is usually pretty tough on these situations though.

          I still don't get not redshirting James either. If he redshirts next year then I'm fine with it. But either way he won't be getting many minutes so it doesn't seems to make much since in playing him this year.

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          • #6
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            Let James go. If he doesnt see enough time after pulling redshirt (his choice or not) he will probably just cause problems if he hasnt been already. And from what I saw, good riddence. I wouldnt want him on the floor in front of our current gang of gaurds if things are running smoothly. And an "Off-shooting" night by the first 4 doesnt constitute not running smoothly.

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by FerociousCat View Post
              "play me or I'll leave" scares me...I can easily see James not playing much the next few weeks & going home for Xmas & never coming back.
              Why would he do that? Didn't someone on the other thread say he was scholarshipped this year?
              But I suppose if he is thinking of transfering, going home for Xmas and never coming back would actually be the best thing for himself. Better chance of getting into another D1 college now than this summer. Also if he quits at Xmas and goes to another D1 college he would only have to set out 1/2 a season next year? Correct? Or is that not the way it works?

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                Originally posted by Da Hog View Post
                Let James go. If he doesnt see enough time after pulling redshirt (his choice or not) he will probably just cause problems if he hasnt been already. And from what I saw, good riddence. I wouldnt want him on the floor in front of our current gang of gaurds if things are running smoothly. And an "Off-shooting" night by the first 4 doesnt constitute not running smoothly.
                That's a little rough. It would not surprise me if there is not at least two sides to the story of his dropped redshirt. My gut reaction is it was more Coaches decision than James. Coach Jake doesn't seem like the type of coach to get held hostage by a wet behind the ear teenager.

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                  Re: James' Redshirt

                  There hasn't been any official "I want to transfer" talks coming from anywhere. Maybe there will be, maybe not. If that's the case then we can say whatever. But as of right now he's on the team and he probably just wanted to play and try to help the team. You never know what to expect when red****ing because these kids have never actually had to sit out games before for a whole year usually. So it's a big adjustment. Hopefully this helps James and UNI in the long run, if not, we will have another scholarship. But for now he's on the team and hopefully it stays that way.

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                    I don't have a problem with taking James' redshirt off.

                    You take a risk when you redshirt a kid. Especially a kid from out of state. You're asking him to sit on ice for a year.

                    Sometimes you'll lose a kid during that year...if mentally they can't stay engaged, or they pick up bad habits or get tired of being away from home and opt out of the program.

                    If he wants to play and he's physically ready, take of the RS and let's see what he can do. Maybe it costs him a year in the program. Or maybe it buys UNI 4 years with him in the lineup.
                    Winning is more fun than losing.

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                    • #11
                      Re: James' Redshirt

                      Originally posted by panther2317
                      Many student-athletes have gotten a 6th year of eligibility granted by the NCAA.
                      It could be possible, just look at Jess "AARP" Settles.

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                      • #12
                        Re: James' Redshirt

                        Originally posted by Blue42 View Post
                        I don't have a problem with taking James' redshirt off.

                        You take a risk when you redshirt a kid. Especially a kid from out of state. You're asking him to sit on ice for a year.

                        Sometimes you'll lose a kid during that year...if mentally they can't stay engaged, or they pick up bad habits or get tired of being away from home and opt out of the program.
                        The most recent example of this is Mason Stewart a few years ago. I watched him at practice a few times and he just seemed like he didn't want to be there and had no interest in what was going on. No offense to him because he might have developed to be a good player, but at the time he was definetly not ready to play and he wasn't doing much good redshirting either. It's tough to do sometimes.

                        Now I'm curious, is Mason playing basketball anymore? I know he wanted to transfer to "be closer to home." But the school he transfered to was actually the same distance to his home as UNI was. Can't remember the school now or if he's playing ball at all?

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                          Originally posted by Panther Cat View Post
                          There hasn't been any official "I want to transfer" talks coming from anywhere. Maybe there will be, maybe not. If that's the case then we can say whatever. But as of right now he's on the team and he probably just wanted to play and try to help the team. You never know what to expect when red****ing because these kids have never actually had to sit out games before for a whole year usually. So it's a big adjustment. Hopefully this helps James and UNI in the long run, if not, we will have another scholarship. But for now he's on the team and hopefully it stays that way.
                          Personally I would hope james in the type of competitor where it kills him to sit on bench and watch his team get embarrassed by a 30 point loss. I am sure he wanted more when he came to UNI and is probably dying to make it happen. I think that attitude is good. Not wanting to lose is good.

                          Of course I have no idea

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                            Originally posted by Blue42 View Post
                            If he wants to play and he's physically ready, take of the RS and let's see what he can do.
                            That's fine as long as we get to "see what he can do". If you take the redshirt off then you need to figure out a way to get him some playing time in the line up. Don't take the redshirt off and then not play him.

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                              Originally posted by fur ball View Post
                              That's fine as long as we get to "see what he can do". If you take the redshirt off then you need to figure out a way to get him some playing time in the line up. Don't take the redshirt off and then not play him.
                              But where? Thats the problem I see. In most games from here on out, I dont see a need for him to be playing in front of the top 4-5ish we have.

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