5 in a row

[TH1974]

Re: 5 in a row

I still think that this team can finish with a winning record but there is a lot more to success than wins and losses. Yes, that is the only thing that a lot of fans want, but that's not the only thing that matters to me. These are college "student"-athletes after-all.

Sounds like you're already hedging your bets.

[Khan4Cats]

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Sounds like you're already hedging your bets.

No, I'm being consistent. I've stated in other threads that I measure success in ways other than merely W/L or NCAA appearances. I still believe we can have a winning season, but I'll take multiple factors into account when evaluating whether or not it is a successful season.

[06panther10]

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I measure success in ways other than merely W/L or NCAA appearances.

That is what people that lose say.

[Khan4Cats]

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That is what people that lose say.

Then this university is apparently a "losing" university because to apply only those standards, we don't even come close to competing. We are barely over .500 all-time (55 wins over in 100+ seasons) and only have 7 NCAA tournament appearances, 4 as a D-I school.

I don't think this university is a "losing" university, apparently others do.

Go ahead, jump on me for questioning people's loyalties and "fandom", but think really hard about what you are really saying and the standards that you want to apply as you do.

My standards stand up and allow me to take pride in my university pretty much every season. How about yours?

[TH1974]

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Then this university is apparently a "losing" university because to apply only those standards, we don't even come close to competing. We are barely over .500 all-time (55 wins over in 100+ seasons) and only have 7 NCAA tournament appearances, 4 as a D-I school.

I don't think this university is a "losing" university, apparently others do.

Go ahead, jump on me for questioning people's loyalties and "fandom", but think really hard about what you are really saying and the standards that you want to apply as you do.

My standards stand up and allow me to take pride in my university pretty much every season. How about yours?

It's a losing basketball program. The university at large has nothing to do with that.

[Purple Reign]

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I'm not happy with Coach Jacobson. I think we are better than he coaches us. Every time I've voiced some sort of a "negative" opinion about him, I'm backed into a corner and my fandom is questioned. I'm attacked for not being optimistic. I'm attacked for complaining too much. I'm attacked for having too high of expectations.

I don't get any "pleasure" out of posting "negative opinions", sometimes I feel like I need to elaborate in order to explain myself better.

So why did I post something like what I did? Because I think some people need to wake up, stop sugar coating things, and realize realistically where this basketball team ranks right about now. Instead of getting all defensive when someone says a coarse word about them.

It doesn't make me any less of a fan. It doesn't mean I'm going to attend games and hope we lose so I have something to come vent about on a message board. It just means that I'm a fan of this basketball team that is very unhappy with what I've seen out of our coach and feel that we are talented enough to play better than we do.

jman----You've stated your case time again here and on other threads. You've made your point and I'm sure by now people know where you stand. I ask again, what is the point of the above post other than an ECHO?

PR

[Panther-Sheik]

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No, I'm being consistent. I've stated in other threads that I measure success in ways other than merely W/L or NCAA appearances. I still believe we can have a winning season, but I'll take multiple factors into account when evaluating whether or not it is a successful season.

Participation medals for everyone!!

You act like we are the ONLY fan base to have desires and expectations of actually winning games. I'll quote Herm Edwards here..."YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!"

[williebat]

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Can you define "losing basketball program?" Because I'm pretty sure we're above .500 all-time and we're sitting at exactly .500 this season.

Not quite sure how that equates to a "losing" program.

a losing program is when you know a few games into the season that there is about a 1% chance of going to the NCAAs. No Hope No Fun

[KansasCityPanther]

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I wouldn't quote Herm!

The best point on this entire thread is the fact that fans are critical of the team, yet there is a beautiful arena that is barely 1/2 full. It's time for the students and the season ticket holders to put their money where their mouths are! Oh yea, I forgot the students don't have to pay additional $s to get in.

As a percentage of people who attend the games, I bet the community is doing a better job of showing up (but far from what it should be). The empty student section looks ridiculous, Jakes Jungle looks more like am empty litter box. No home court advantage with that back drop.

[ajpanther]

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I don't say much on this message board because I'm parent of one of the players, and I don't want to start something I may not be able to finish with out making a fool of myself, but I agree with KansasCity. I was in Carbondale last night with my family to watch a great basketball game. Well coached and a great team effort. It was News Years Eve, and they had more butts in the stands than we did for the Iowa State Game. Pretty pathetic. If your a fan your there through the good and the bad. You don't give up on them because they aren't doing what you want. SIU isn't having a stellar season thus far, but their fans are still their supporting them. Our guys need your support too, Coaches and Players. Ask any player or coach, there is nothing like an arena full of fans to start a spark when it's needed. If you can't use your season tickets give them away, we need butts in seats.......

[JCPanthers]

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I don't say much on this message board because I'm parent of one of the players, and I don't want to start something I may not be able to finish with out making a fool of myself, but I agree with KansasCity. I was in Carbondale last night with my family to watch a great basketball game. Well coached and a great team effort. It was News Years Eve, and they had more butts in the stands than we did for the Iowa State Game. Pretty pathetic. If your a fan your there through the good and the bad. You don't give up on them because they aren't doing what you want. SIU isn't having a stellar season thus far, but their fans are still their supporting them. Our guys need your support too, Coaches and Players. Ask any player or coach, there is nothing like an arena full of fans to start a spark when it's needed. If you can't use your season tickets give them away, we need butts in seats.......

Amen!!

[Panthers to the Bone]

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aj-

Good points about attendance. If you haven't had a chance to make it to other Valley venues, it's quite impressive. We may have one of the nicer facilities, but it's the people inside them that make it what it is. There are 4 Valley schools that have doubled our attendance this year (average wise). Indiana State is the only school to have less attended games than UNI (and my guess is that if you take out the Iowa State game, our attendance would be less than theirs---they don't have any BCS home games). SIU, Illinois State, and Evansville have averaged 2K more than UNI. None of those schools have yet to face a BCS school in their own house. We need our fans to be into the game to make up for the lack of fannies we have in the seats.

I think most of complaining about attendance is 'preaching to the choir' on PN, but it can get frustrating. I'd love to see some rabid fans in the McLeod Center who help start runs for UNI, slow down/stop runs by opposing teams, and not let Jake's clapping echo throughout the place, but rather use his encouragement to get the team focused in on the defensive end (regardless of whether or not you think Jake's clapping is necessary/dumb/overdone/etc...).

It's time to put the 'Loud' back in the McLeod.

I also don't buy the 'this team is boring to watch' argument. UNI is 2nd in the conference in FG%. This team is averaging 66 points/game. That's 4 pts/game more than last year (and that was with an inflated 99 pt game against Wartburg), more than 2007's team and 2006's team. I think this team is exciting to watch when they are rolling. When things aren't going their way, it's hard to watch, but it's a process. Lately, their shots have been falling, which I hope translates throughout the rest of the season.

[06panther10]

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Ok, but lets not forget that SIU is a basketball first, football second school. At UNI, it is the other way around.

Also, SIU has built a great bball program. I assure you that our attendance would be tons better if we made the tournament and win the valley 7 out of ten years or whatever.

Those were valid points about our attendance however. Ours has been bad and NEEDS to get better if we want to be successfull.

[Victory_For_UNI]

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I'm amazed at how much pleasure some people get by posting, your words "negative opinions." Please help me understand the purpose of this post. Really, what is it you wish to accomplish? What are you looking for in a response? What could someone say that has not already been said over the past 24 hours? Just curious to learn what drives your thoughts.

PR

PR, I have nothing but respect for you. That said, you (along with many others) need to realize that this is a message board and not everybody will sing this school's praises no matter how mediocre we are. I own season tickets and will never be a sitter during "Hail Our Panthers," but some among us need to stop jumping all over those who enjoy SUCCESS and disapprove mediocrity. Yes, the Weaver days were tough, but with success comes expectations of more success. That is part of our recent move from obsolete to a Midwestern mid-power. Get used to it, hopefully it is here to stay.

[9YRPLAN]

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i definitely agree that the success of the football team has hurt the basketball team in certain ways...people only a have a certain amount of disposable income and are accustomed to a high level of success.