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  • #46
    Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

    Originally posted by Rob Weiss View Post
    I don't feel like he developed as well as he could have.
    Do you think that's all Jon's fault?

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    • #47
      Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

      Originally posted by panther2317
      THen you're doing it wrong PTTB! You should know by now that people hate stats on this board. They'd rather post blindly with opinion than bother with facts.

      Quickest way to end a thread on this board is to add some fact...it will die a quick death.
      Sometimes dropping statistics into a discussion is just a cop-out though. Accurate as they may be, I don't think that there are too many Panther fans that will be impressed with Kerwin's turnover/minutes ratio. In fact, Jon's turnover/minutes ratio was even better than Kerwin's is (1 turnover in 50 minutes played).

      Let's take a look at Kerwin's points/minutes ratio, or his assists/minutes ratio, or his rebounds/minutes ratio, or his steals/minutes ratio and compare those with the rest of this team. I think you'll find that he's the least productive player on this team given the minutes he's allowed to play.

      So when someone else at his same position, a very talented player with potential, exits the team because of playing time, there's a pretty good reason why Kerwin's name is brought up.

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      • #48
        Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

        Perhaps Jon should have red shirted. I don't think he showed that much in his 1+ year with the team. I also have to believe that he didn't show enough in practice to get more PT.

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        • #49
          Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

          That's true. It may have been inevitable. Maybe he just wasn't happy here, playing time or no playing time . . .

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          • #50
            Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

            Official Panther Basketball Commitment List - Panther Nation
            http://www.panthernation.com/showthread.php?t=1382
            Discuss all things related to Panther recruiting.


            2005
            Guards
            Michael Williams 5'7" 190lbs PG Topeka, KS (West HS/Hutchinson CC)---LEFT AFTER JR YEAR (1 Year)
            Mason Stewart 6'2" 180lbs PG/SG Aurora, IL (Waubonsie Valley HS)---RS, LEFT AFTER FR YEAR (not sure where he is now...I don't think he plays)
            Travis Brown 6'3" 180lbs SG Richfield, MN (Richfield HS)---SR, CONTRIBUTOR

            2006
            Guards
            Kwadzo Ahelegbe 6'2" 185lbs PG Oakdale, MN (Tartan HS)---RS SOPH, STARTER
            Kerwin Dunham 6'4" 170lbs SG Bondurant, IA (Bondurant-Farrar HS)---RS SOPH, CONTRIBUTOR
            Stephen Jones 6'1" 190lbs PG/SG Bethalto, IL (Civic Memorial HS)---LEFT AFTER FRESH YEAR (Reserve at SIU-Edwardsville)
            Carlton Reed 6'4" 200lbs SG Waterloo, IA (East HS)---STILL IN PROGRAM, INJURED
            Forward
            Adam Koch 6'8" 210lbs PF Ashwaubenon, Wis (Ashwaubenon HS)---STARTER
            Center
            Jordan Eglseder 7'0" 260lbs C Bellevue, IA (Marquette HS)---STARTER

            2007
            Guards
            Matt Culliver 6'1" 180lbs PG Omaha, NE (Iowa Western CC)---NEVER PLAYED, LEGAL ISSUES
            Jon Montgomery 6'3" 200lbs SG Chicago, IL (Lincoln Park HS)---SOPH, TRANSFER AT SEMESTER
            Drew Lundberg 6'2" 190lbs CG Owatonna, MN (Owatonna HS)---WALK ON, TRANSFER TO WALK ON AT NDSU

            Forwards
            Brent Barz 6'10" 200lbs PF Johnston, IA (Johnston HS)---TRANSFER AFTER LEAVING TEAM RS FRESH YEAR (at Tyler JC)
            Lucas O'Rear 6'6" 225lbs PF Nashville, IL (Nashville HS)---SOPH, CONTRIBUTOR

            All 2008 recruits still here
            The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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            • #51
              Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

              Originally posted by jman2004 View Post
              Do you think that's all Jon's fault?
              no, not necesarily. might not be on coaches either though. Without being there, we don't know.
              Selling a lot of old UNI stuff here: http://www.panthernation.com/showthread.php?t=65762

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              • #52
                Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

                Kerwin looked better today. I still think he looks lost on defense quite often. But overall, maybe the confidence is coming. I still think he could be rather good for us.

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                • #53
                  Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

                  I don't have time, but can someone do a quick stat search on the difference in games played, minutes played, FG%, 3FG%, FT%, and assists between Kerwin and Jon (b/t the two years).

                  Disclaimer: I loved watching Jon play. I really hope he succeeds wherever he goes. I would have loved to see Jon get 40 minutes per game, as well as Kerwin. This is not a Kerwin vs. Jon, who does PTTB like more thread. I'm just curious as to what the difference is b/t these two since they are the ones that keep being compared in this thread.
                  The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

                    2007 stats . . .

                    Jon:
                    316 minutes played, 11.7 mpg
                    Shot 33% from the field, 25-76 FGs
                    Shot 29% from 3 pt. range, 17-57
                    27 rebounds, 19 assists, 8 steals, 16 turnovers
                    69 points scored, 2.6 ppg

                    Kerwin:
                    761 minutes played, 23.8 mpg
                    Shot 42% from the field, 46-109 FGs
                    Shot 23% from 3 pt. range, 13-55
                    28 rebounds, 36 assists, 13 steals, 25 turnovers

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                    • #55
                      Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

                      Originally posted by jman2004 View Post
                      2007 stats . . .

                      Jon:
                      316 minutes played, 11.7 mpg
                      Shot 33% from the field, 25-76 FGs
                      Shot 29% from 3 pt. range, 17-57
                      27 rebounds, 19 assists, 8 steals, 16 turnovers
                      69 points scored, 2.6 ppg

                      Kerwin:
                      761 minutes played, 23.8 mpg
                      Shot 42% from the field, 46-109 FGs
                      Shot 23% from 3 pt. range, 13-55
                      28 rebounds, 36 assists, 13 steals, 25 turnovers
                      Wow...good work. Guess we didn't need that rebounding and defensive intensity for more than 11 minute per game (and I think that is skewed because Jon played more early in the year when we lost "all" of our guards). Oh well...time to move on. Go Kerwin and the rest of the gang. Valley is weak and we might as well be the team that no one expected.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

                        Cumulative b/t the two seasons:

                        Jon: 11 mpg, 31% FG, 26% 3FG, 39 rebounds (1.18/game), 20 assists/17 TO's (1.17:1), 9 steals

                        Kerwin: 23 mpg, 41% FG, 25% 3FG, 51 rebounds (1.18/game), 49 assists/32 TO's (1.53:1), 16 steals
                        The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

                          Yeah, that's why I chose NOT to post 'averages', instead I posted totals. Because with the minutes skewed the way they are, you really have to take Jon's stats with a grain of salt. For example, PTTB made their rebound statistics look fairly similar by averaging them out, but that's totally NOT the case when you see how many rebounds Jon got in the amount of minutes he played.

                          I think if Jon would've had the same amount of faith put in him as Kerwin has been given, he'd still be here. Sad really, but as Sheik said, I guess it's time to move on . . . I just hope things like this don't continue happening.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

                            I heard Jon may be attending Howard, we'll see. Howard is in DC and currently 1-7 they appear to play a slow down style; 60's-1 time, 50's-3 times, 40's-3 times, and 30's-1 time. I wish him the best.

                            We also had a commitment from Mike Bazoukas for the Class of 2007.

                            Kerwin was a scoring machine in high school, I'm not sure if the slower style we play was the best fit for him. He is more of a catch and release shooter which we don't seem to do early in the clock.
                            Last edited by Back2BackCats; 12-22-2008, 08:16 PM.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

                              Kerwin was a scoring machine in high school
                              Yeah, so was I....
                              UNI FIGHT

                              Originally posted by 9YRPLAN
                              iowa sucks, fran sucks, their schedule sucks, iowa fans suck

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                              • #60
                                Re: Montgomery leaves UNI

                                Originally posted by 06panther10 View Post
                                Yeah, so was I....
                                Kerwin had the 8th best career in the State of Iowa with 2285 points, he scored 782 pts his senior year and 749 his junior year, I'm pretty sure he didn't just stop shooting on his own. Maybe the reason he is getting time is because he is playing within the system(waiting until late in the shot clock) and Jon wasn't, maybe not. That being said I am still not sure this system fits Kerwin's game the best.

                                Now back to your HS career, I'm not sure where you fall on Iowa's all time list, don't even know if you played in Iowa. I am pretty sure Kerwin would light you up as he would 99.9% of us on this board that seem to know so much about this game.

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