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  • Let's Draw Some Lines!

    I was originally going to write an article about this, because it occurred to me that I haven't written one about the basketball team yet this season, but I figured the timing was all wrong and there would be a strong contingency of people who disagree with me that would call me every name the moderators would let them. That being said, I feel a few things should be addressed:

    -Regarding the game on Sunday, no one has bothered to answer this question for me: what were the causes of UNI going down 17 in the first half to a last place Valley team that clearly will not win more than six games in conference this season? Yes, the Panthers stormed back and erased that deficit. So here's the question: who was responsible for what? Were the players responsible for coming out flat and allowing Indiana State to score behind the arc at will (according to Jacobson's post-game comments), or was it lack of preparation? The latter is something that can be attributed either to coaches OR players.

    It seems to me like there's a few posters on here who believe that when the team does well, the game plan and the coaches' preparation was essential to that performance. When they do poorly, that's the players coming out flat. Any good coach will tell you that it is ALWAYS the exact opposite of that; games are won by players and lost by coaches. Please note that Jacobson has not said anything on this subject, so don't drag him into this.

    One more thing: yes, the Weaver days sucked. Yes, you could fire a cannon from one end of the Dome to the other and not hit anyone. Is there anyone who would disagree that this was the lowest point in our program's history? Follow up question: is that the standard by which we will judge all future seasons of UNI Basketball? I would think that's a bad idea.

    All I'm saying is that those who are frustrated with the current performance of the team should have their opinions respected, as should those who are disagreeing with the things they are saying. There doesn't seem to be very much of that happening right now.

    Oh, and let me just answer the next question for you: I have been to every single game this year except North Dakota, and have been at 90% of UNI home games since 2002. In fact, if you saw a big hairy dude lumbering around with a cane for the SDSU game... yeah, that was me. I was there. So there's no using that as a point of challenge. Don't even try, no matter what side you're representing.

    "Once it starts, it never ends."
    -Eldon Miller

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    Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

    Originally posted by Marc Wigim View Post
    One more thing: yes, the Weaver days sucked. Yes, you could fire a cannon from one end of the Dome to the other and not hit anyone. Is there anyone who would disagree that this was the lowest point in our program's history? Follow up question: is that the standard by which we will judge all future seasons of UNI Basketball? I would think that's a bad idea.
    This is very well said. I hate it when people make me feel inferior as a fan just because I don't understand how bad it may have been in the past.

    And off topic, were you leading the way, cheering for Kielbasa earlier in the season (I think it was against Chicago State)?

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    • #3
      Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

      Guilty.

      "Once it starts, it never ends."
      -Eldon Miller

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        Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

        All I'm saying is that those who are frustrated with the current performance of the team should have their opinions respected, as should those who are disagreeing with the things they are saying.
        I agree entirely.

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          Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

          Originally posted by jman2004 View Post
          And off topic, were you leading the way, cheering for Kielbasa earlier in the season (I think it was against Chicago State)?
          I enjoyed that. Nothing like some good natured taunting of the opposing teams players. We need more students to get involved with this. It appears more mean spirited when old guys like me do it. And my wife doesn't care for me doing that, either.

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          • #6
            Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

            Originally posted by Waverly_Panther View Post
            And my wife doesn't care for me doing that, either.
            That's not the only thing your wife doesn't care for you doing

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            • #7
              Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

              Originally posted by panther84 View Post
              That's not the only thing your wife doesn't care for you doing
              No kidding. But let's not get into that on a message board.

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              • #8
                Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

                [QUOTE=Marc Wigim;152332]

                (It seems to me like there's a few posters on here who believe that when the team does well, the game plan and the coaches' preparation was essential to that performance. When they do poorly, that's the players coming out flat. Any good coach will tell you that it is ALWAYS the exact opposite of that; games are won by players and lost by coaches. Please note that Jacobson has not said anything on this subject, so don't drag him into this.)

                Marc....I respect your opinion and you write some pretty good stuff on here but this has me baffled. The line about "any good coach will tell you that it is ALWAYS the exact opposite of that; games are won by players and lost by coaches". This is absolutely not true and one of the most inaccurate statements I have ever seen posted. A coach has never missed a free throw, made a bad pass, committed a stupid foul when the shot clock is set to expire and your opponent is about to throw up a desperation shot; ultimately players decide the game on how they play, they perform and carry out the game plan the coaches have implemented. Are there times the game plan could have been better, sure, but more times than not if the players excute the game plan, which includes everything from how to guard certain players, who to back off of and who to cover from the arch, who to double and who not to double, also how you excute at your offensive end and attack the defense the opponent is playing will decide if your team wins or loses. It frustrates me to no end when a team plays good and wins and the fans give all the credit to the players and when a team loses they want to blame the coach or coaching staff! This is just absurd! It is a team deal, coaches AND players win games with their combined effort of game planning, game time decisions, player substitutions etc.and then how the players play and excute the game plan and coaches and players combined will lose games with mistakes they make during the game. NEVER is it "the players won the game" when your team wins and "the coaches lost the game" when your team looses. Could the coaches have done a few things differently Sunday to help the Panthers win, probably, could the players have done things differently to help the Panthers win, certainly; but as I said above it is never just the coaches fault that a team looses and more times than not it is the players fault for how they performed, excuted the game plan and played during the game, and it is the latter why teams win and lose more times than not!!! And certainly it is not ALWAYS the coaches fault after a team looses as you state above!!
                I have heard coaches say I should have done things different to put my team in position to win, that may be true but more times than not a coach is saying that to take the blame off his players and protect them from taking the heat for a tough lose and putting the blame on themselves the coaches but as a fan we should certainly realize that players play the game and they are ultimately going to decide the outcome by how they play!!! I can honestly say in all the sports I have played that I never felt my coach "lost" the game for us. We either made too may errors or struck out too many times with guys on base in baseball or missed way too many open shots or committed too may dumb fouls or turnovers in basketball. Just my 2 cents worth................
                Last edited by OH BABY! I luv this team!; 12-30-2008, 11:46 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

                  Could not have said that any better myself!!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

                    The voice of reason has returned. Pay attention Panther fans. Thank you for the comment Sports guy.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

                      Thanks, Oh Baby. Well put.

                      It's a team effort. Let's get behind the entire team.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

                        Oh Baby! makes some excellent points and that comes from someone as close to the team as you can be, without being on the team or staff.

                        There are a lot of different threads dealing with the men's basketball program on Panther Nation right now, so I'm not sure if this point has been made and while I share the disappointment of many with the results of the season thus far, I do believe this team has the potential to get much better this season.

                        What I can't accept is the lack of intensity and urgency displayed on the floor by many of the players. We have to be much tougher on defense, rebounding, working on the blocks to receive passes and overall hustle than we have shown thus far. I don't like it but I can accept losing if the players are giving an all-out effort to do their best. Shots won't always fall but you can make up for it with greater defensive intensity, blocking out on defensive rebounding, working hard to get in position for offensive rebounds and in general hustling after loose balls, etc. So far, I haven't seen our guys consistently out work their opponents. We are too nice on the floor and don't have the attitude it takes to not let teams win on our home court.

                        As Oh Baby! states, it is a total team effort and the coaches do share in this responsibility. They must prepare the players to give maximum performance each time they take the floor. Once they have prepared them, it is up to the players to do the rest. The season is over one-third completed and the entire team needs to realize the intensity level needs to improve in a hurry.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

                          [QUOTE=Marc Wigim;152332]

                          Any good coach will tell you that it is ALWAYS the exact opposite of that; games are won by players and lost by coaches.


                          I don't agree with your statement.

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                            Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

                            You guys have to understand what he is saying, he saying that a good coach will give the players the credit after a victory, and take ALL the blame after a loss. Not that it is actually that way. At least, that is the way I read it and the way I percieve it myself.
                            Illinois State Fan at a St. Louis White Castle 3:45AM Saturday March 6th:

                            "White Castle?" "more like Black Castle..."

                            You stay classy Redbirds.

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                              Re: Let's Draw Some Lines!

                              [QUOTE=OH BABY! I luv this team!;152400]
                              Originally posted by Marc Wigim View Post

                              (It seems to me like there's a few posters on here who believe that when the team does well, the game plan and the coaches' preparation was essential to that performance. When they do poorly, that's the players coming out flat. Any good coach will tell you that it is ALWAYS the exact opposite of that; games are won by players and lost by coaches. Please note that Jacobson has not said anything on this subject, so don't drag him into this.)

                              Marc....I respect your opinion and you write some pretty good stuff on here but this has me baffled. The line about "any good coach will tell you that it is ALWAYS the exact opposite of that; games are won by players and lost by coaches". This is absolutely not true and one of the most inaccurate statements I have ever seen posted. A coach has never missed a free throw, made a bad pass, committed a stupid foul when the shot clock is set to expire and your opponent is about to throw up a desperation shot; ultimately players decide the game on how they play, they perform and carry out the game plan the coaches have implemented. Are there times the game plan could have been better, sure, but more times than not if the players excute the game plan, which includes everything from how to guard certain players, who to back off of and who to cover from the arch, who to double and who not to double, also how you excute at your offensive end and attack the defense the opponent is playing will decide if your team wins or loses. It frustrates me to no end when a team plays good and wins and the fans give all the credit to the players and when a team loses they want to blame the coach or coaching staff! This is just absurd! It is a team deal, coaches AND players win games with their combined effort of game planning, game time decisions, player substitutions etc.and then how the players play and excute the game plan and coaches and players combined will lose games with mistakes they make during the game. NEVER is it "the players won the game" when your team wins and "the coaches lost the game" when your team looses. Could the coaches have done a few things differently Sunday to help the Panthers win, probably, could the players have done things differently to help the Panthers win, certainly; but as I said above it is never just the coaches fault that a team looses and more times than not it is the players fault for how they performed, excuted the game plan and played during the game, and it is the latter why teams win and lose more times than not!!! And certainly it is not ALWAYS the coaches fault after a team looses as you state above!!
                              I have heard coaches say I should have done things different to put my team in position to win, that may be true but more times than not a coach is saying that to take the blame off his players and protect them from taking the heat for a tough lose and putting the blame on themselves the coaches but as a fan we should certainly realize that players play the game and they are ultimately going to decide the outcome by how they play!!! I can honestly say in all the sports I have played that I never felt my coach "lost" the game for us. We either made too may errors or struck out too many times with guys on base in baseball or missed way too many open shots or committed too may dumb fouls or turnovers in basketball. Just my 2 cents worth................
                              I should clarify. This makes me think of Coach Farley, who time and time again has rallied the troops down from considerable deficits at half to come back and win. This is clearly a case of a coach who can make adjustments, and a team of players who believe in his system. In this case, both coaches and players can feel good about what happens.

                              In the case of basketball, I refuse to believe that Coach Jacobson doesn't know what he's doing and puts the team on the floor with a questionable game plan. You are right, players DO execute the game plan, and they didn't always do that on Sunday. My point is simply that there are people who think that when the team wins, it's because of Jake. When they lose, it was their lack of execution or effort. I can't speak for the Coach, but I'm willing to bet he doesn't see it that way.

                              The whole "players win games, coaches lose them" is just an axiom. Obviously it's a team effort. I just felt it was necessary to remind people to give credit where its due when this team does play well.

                              "Once it starts, it never ends."
                              -Eldon Miller

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