Andy Katz

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Andy Katz

Some of usual suspects on this board are being way too pessimistic about UNI's chances of getting in the NCAAs.

Reminds me of the folks who say Kurt Warner has to win the Superbowl to make the HOF.

If UNI wins the regular season title and makes the semi-finals of the MVC tourney then UNI will get in, even with 3 more losses.

If they win the regular season by 2 games or more, and make at least the quarter-finals then they'll get in.

are you the dude with the HOMER license plate?

the facts are this: warner had 5 mediocre/bad seasons and UNI is going to go through this entire year without beating an NCAA tourney team. wake up.

[Newsbreaker]

Re: Andy Katz

It would be really hard to explain why the team that won the regular season title in the 8th best conference didn't get into the NCAAs. If someone can find an example of this happening, I'll worry more.

Unfortunately, winning the regular season title means little to anyone but us. What matters is getting the automatic bid, or having a high RPI. While the conference RIP is respectable, our team RPI does us no favors.

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Andy Katz

are you the dude with the HOMER license plate?

the facts are this: warner had 5 mediocre/bad seasons and UNI is going to go through this entire year without beating an NCAA tourney team. wake up.

That is like saying Tom Brady had a bad year this year...Kurt was hurt in 2 of them, and played for a very very bad Giants team (39 sacks in 10 games). The other years he was viewed as an aging QB who would be a good mentor to the younger QB...never really given a shot. I agree that his career was not at 100% throttle, but I also don't think it can be looked at as "Kurt simply sucked for a few years".

[OhNewby]

Re: Andy Katz

are you the dude with the HOMER license plate?

the facts are this: warner had 5 mediocre/bad seasons and UNI is going to go through this entire year without beating an NCAA tourney team. wake up.

Wrong again. Since UNI has beat every team in the Valley, UNI either will be in the NCAA tourney or UNI will have BEAT a NCAA tourney team!

[TH1974]

Re: Andy Katz

Wrong again. Since UNI has beat every team in the Valley, UNI either will be in the NCAA tourney or UNI will have BEAT a NCAA tourney team!

That's circular logic.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Andy Katz

if that is your argument for an at-large berth, we better win out in St. Louis.

we are talking about the hall of fame here...the voters dont care what the circumstances were...they just know he disappeared for half of a decade.

FWIW, i think he's in already, although it will take a few years of voting.

[Newshound]

Re: Andy Katz

Formula for an at-large berth:
* At least 15 MVC wins
* Win Bracket Buster
* Reach finals of MVC tournament
If these three are accomplished, UNI will be in the NCAA tournament.

If they win 15 games, Bracket Buster and reach semis of league tournament, it will be a long, long week of waiting. They'll be on the bubble.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Andy Katz

That's circular logic.

It works for BcS conferences. Especially the teams that finish sub-.500 in their conferences.

In order for UNI to make the NCAA's without an MVC Tourney championship, I think they still have to 1.) win the regular season 2.) win Bracket Busters 3.) Have an RPI below 50 4.) Win 24+ games. I think if UNI doesn't do any of those 4, it's not going to happen.

I would add a 5th. I think the Valley needs to win at least 7 of their Bracket Buster games. A good showing in BB will strengthen the cause and with most of our better teams going on the road (us, Illinois State, Bradley), we could raise the whole Valley RPI and might even move up a slot to 7th.

[Waverly_Panther]

Re: Andy Katz

If they win the regular season by 2 games or more, and make at least the quarter-finals then they'll get in.

If UNI wins the regular season, they are automatically in the quarter finals of the Valley tournament. I think we're going to have to win the regular season by 2 games or more, and make the finals, and then not get blown out in the finals. And to be honest, I'm not sure that will be enough.

[Panthers to the Bone]

Re: Andy Katz

Currently, the MVC is the 9th best RPI league per KenPom.Com and RealTimeRPI.Com

I'm having a hard time finding the RPI's from previous years, as I can only find KenPom's rankings, not RPI. RealTimeRPI.com shows previous conference ranks, but when you click on the teams, it goes to the current season's RPI ranking/schedule.

I would feel alot better about making the NCAA Tourney, but I remember last year's Illinois State team that had 25 wins and a 37 RPI got left out, and they were in the 8th rated RPI conference.

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Andy Katz

Of course they neither won the regular season or tournament title...but I get your point and agree for the most part.

[Panthers to the Bone]

Re: Andy Katz

Correct...

And since the RPI seems to be increasingly used to rule out 'non-BCS' schools, or otherwise unreliable (or considered) by the NCAA Selection Committee, it makes me even more cautious.

[Panthers to the Bone]

Re: Andy Katz

Also, since tonight's games have been added to KenPom's site, the MVC is now down to 10th.

[Newsbreaker]

Re: Andy Katz

Realtime RPI has the league down to 9th as of tonight.

[MediaPanther]

Re: Andy Katz

That's circular logic.

That's not circular logic...that's a fact!

Do you even know what that phrase means?