UNI at WSU

[Gboom23]

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I'm sensing a pressure overload on our guys right now. I hope they aren't thinking about an MVC title right now. And, boy, watching Creighton today, they looked very good...very loose and like they are hitting their stride.

agreed, Creighton looks like a team that isn't going to lose anytime soon. We have to take care of business down the stretch.

[Waverly_Panther]

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I think it depends on where the other teams finish in the standings. If we win at home vs. Drake and Eville, and Creighton wins out...I am thinking that it might come down to us sweeping Drake, which would give it to us?

I think a win at Il. St. would help in the tie breaking formula. Of course, if we win at Il. St., we probably don't tie. But, yes, I think you are right. Our extra loss would be to In. St., theirs was Drake.

[Jet]

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K.A. couldn"t have played worse.forcing shots,lazy passes and then gives up an off. rebound with 5 mins left and they hit a 3 after we cut it to 7 points.

[Panther-Sheik]

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This makes me scared for the Drake game. Remember that it was our outside shooting and their lack of that was the story of that game. Johnny and Ali are the key to our team winning or losing.

[UNI Fight]

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I just need to watch this over and over to feel a little better about that game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13xmhD02orI

[UNI MadCat]

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Obviously we split. We both lost at Wichita. They also lost at Illinois State and to Drake at home. If we win the two home game I think we would get it ... our lose to ISU at home penalizes us less than their loss to Drake at home.

Lot of basketball left!

You make the assumption that Drake will finish ahead of InSt. The Sycs have won 3 in a row and Drake is really struggling and you would assume will lose again tomorrow, @ UNI & @ Bradley.

So, if we do tie and those teams flip, we lose the tiebreaker to CU I believe.

This is actually a really big deal because that #1 seed gets us an 'autobid' to the NIT. I understand thats not what this team wants right now but it would sure be nice to have that in our back pocket heading down to StL. I understand theorectically you would think we would make the little dance regardless. However, a loss today, @ Siena, @ Il St and in the 1st round of the MVCT wouldnt help with an RPI thats currently at 84 and would likely be lower at that point.

Or they could just win out... that would be nice!!

[Pantherpower]

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So who has the tiebreaker, Creighton or UNI? I think it may come down to that.

I found this over on the Creighton board. I think these numbers and logic are sound. If we hold serve at home against Drake and Evansville, the tiebreaker goes to us. Here it is:

The tie breaker points that each team has are below. Obviously, this is too soon to call because they are not tied but...

UNI wins:
@SIU=6
WSU=11*
MSU=1
@EU=10
@DU=8
BU=13
@MSU=2
IlSU=15
@InSU=4
@BU=14
SIU=5
TTL= 89

CU wins:
WSU=11
@InSU=4
@BU=14
SIU=5
@EU=10
InSU=3
MSU=1
@DU=8
BU=13
@SIU=6
TTL= 75

Common wins, which can be eliminated for tie breaker:
SIU, @SIU, WSU, BU, @BU, @InSU, @DU, @EU, MSU

The difference between the two scores is that CU has not beaten IlSU at CU and CU has not beaten MSU at MSU, while UNI has not beaten InSU at UNI.

In the event of a tie, CU must have among its wins, a home win against IlSU. Also, both teams still have home games against EU. CU could then prevail because it swept InSU.

UNI would clinch the tiebreaker by beating EU and DU because CU did not match UNI's sweep of DU.

*WSU and EU are tied for 5th. However, they traded home wins. That tie breaker would be broken in favor of WSU (believe it or not) on the strength of home wins against CU and UNI. By the way, WSU has beaten the top three teams in the conference and have clawed their way into the top half winning 7 of their last 9.

[ceaser150]

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You make the assumption that Drake will finish ahead of InSt. The Sycs have won 3 in a row and Drake is really struggling and you would assume will lose again tomorrow, @ UNI & @ Bradley.

So, if we do tie and those teams flip, we lose the tiebreaker to CU I believe.

This is actually a really big deal because that #1 seed gets us an 'autobid' to the NIT. I understand thats not what this team wants right now but it would sure be nice to have that in our back pocket heading down to StL. I understand theorectically you would think we would make the little dance regardless. However, a loss today, @ Siena, @ Il St and in the 1st round of the MVCT wouldnt help with an RPI thats currently at 84 and would likely be lower at that point.

Or they could just win out... that would be nice!!

I don't see this team getting an NIT at large bid at this point with potential losses at ISU and Siena looming. That tiebreaker could be the only way we go to the NIT

[jman2004]

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I don't see this team getting an NIT at large bid at this point with potential losses at ISU and Siena looming. That tiebreaker could be the only way we go to the NIT

We can win both of those games and not worry about a tiebreaker.

Our three point shooting needs to wake up though. Haven't dug into stats, but it sure seems like we've gone COLD from downtown lately.

[in_the_stands]

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...Our three point shooting needs to wake up though. Haven't dug into stats, but it sure seems like we've gone COLD from downtown lately.

Not unusual for UNI teams in February, unfortunately.

[ceaser150]

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You make the assumption that Drake will finish ahead of InSt. The Sycs have won 3 in a row and Drake is really struggling and you would assume will lose again tomorrow, @ UNI & @ Bradley.

So, if we do tie and those teams flip, we lose the tiebreaker to CU I believe.

This is actually a really big deal because that #1 seed gets us an 'autobid' to the NIT. I understand thats not what this team wants right now but it would sure be nice to have that in our back pocket heading down to StL. I understand theorectically you would think we would make the little dance regardless. However, a loss today, @ Siena, @ Il St and in the 1st round of the MVCT wouldnt help with an RPI thats currently at 84 and would likely be lower at that point.

Or they could just win out... that would be nice!!

So what happens if InSU and Drake tie? I think this will likely happen. I think the best we can hope for out of Drake is winning one more game (SIU at home). I think InSU likely loses at WSU and likely wins against MSU. The swing game will be SIU. They win that and they tie Drake. If we tie Creighton, and they tie, how do you separate them? Does it come down to a coin flip?

[Khan4Cats]

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So what happens if InSU and Drake tie? I think this will likely happen. I think the best we can hope for out of Drake is winning one more game (SIU at home). I think InSU likely loses at WSU and likely wins against MSU. The swing game will be SIU. They win that and they tie Drake. If we tie Creighton, and they tie, how do you separate them? Does it come down to a coin flip?

If it is just a two-way tie between Drake and Indiana State, Drake would win the point-system tie-breaker, ironically because they lost to Missouri State. What that means is, they beat more teams ahead of them, thus earning more points than Indiana State did by sweeping last place MSU. That still benefits us.

Simple way to take of this is to win our last three and clinch outright.

Win the next two and we guarantee the #1 seed (our sweep of ISU(r) would get more points than CU's sweep of UE).