"Excuse Week" - Good Article by Feinstein

[jman2004]

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a joke that funny can only mean that Creighton would beat Minnesota 8 out of 10 times. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I'd take 'em 5 out of 10. What's funny then? Who's more deserving of a spot then?

You really think Minnesota would beat Creighton 8 out of 10 times? Worse yet, since you responded to a comment about the Big Ten getting 8 teams in . . . you think that's okay? 8 out of the 11 teams?

[Panther789]

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I'd take 'em 5 out of 10. What's funny then? Who's more deserving of a spot then?

You really think Minnesota would beat Creighton 8 out of 10 times? Worse yet, since you responded to a comment about the Big Ten getting 8 teams in . . . you think that's okay? 8 out of the 11 teams?

Personally, I could care less about how many teams a conference gets in. The committee has said a million times that it evaluates teams individually, and does not limit the number per conference.

If you've got a beef with PSU, I think you can make an argument either way. Minnesota just beat NW, and they are probably in. If Michigan beats Iowa, they are probably in too.

[jman2004]

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Personally, I could care less about how many teams a conference gets in. The committee has said a million times that it evaluates teams individually, and does not limit the number per conference.

If you've got a beef with PSU, I think you can make an argument either way. Minnesota just beat NW, and they are probably in. If Michigan beats Iowa, they are probably in too.

If a team is good enough and deserving, I don't really care either. But I don't see HOW anyone could argue too strongly for Penn State after really taking a look at who they've beaten. They have two really nice, in-conference wins. Other than that, pretty weak overall.

Minnesota and Michigan I'm okay with, just not Penn State and Northwestern.

[Panther789]

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If a team is good enough and deserving, I don't really care either. But I don't see HOW anyone could argue too strongly for Penn State after really taking a look at who they've beaten. They have two really nice, in-conference wins. Other than that, pretty weak overall.

Minnesota and Michigan I'm okay with, just not Penn State and Northwestern.

NW is out, and not even worth discussing at this point.

PSU has wins:

@ MSU
@ Illinois
vs. Illinois (These 3 are all better than CU's best win)
vs. Purdue
vs. Michigan
vs. Minnesota

... all teams who you suggest are in the dance, and I would agree (unless Michigan loses to Iowa). Im not suggesting they should be a slam dunk, but to say they only have 2 wins and are otherwise weak just isnt accurate.

IMO, the lose today they are done. A win today and a loss tomorrow and they are right on the bubble, and 2 wins and they are in.

[jman2004]

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NW is out, and not even worth discussing at this point.

PSU has wins:

@ MSU
@ Illinois
vs. Illinois (These 3 are all better than CU's best win)
vs. Purdue
vs. Michigan
vs. Minnesota

They have some nice wins. I won't argue that.

What I will say . . . have you taken a look at their non-conference schedule? Losses to A-10 "bubble" teams Rhode Island AND Temple . . . and victories over, well, nobody.

My question: Would a school from a mid-major conference, with an RPI of 66, even be entertained for an at-large bid at this spot?

[TheMacHouse]

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PSU may compare to Arizona St last year who had some good conference wins but played nobody in non-conference except Xavier who they beat and they were left out. PSU's non-conference schedule ranked 313th and they lost to the two best teams that they played in non-conference. We will see what happens.

There was a good article awhile back on ESPN on what he called "middling majors" and "quality mids" who played in the NCAA tournament the last 10 years and their records during that time span. Their records might suprise some people and a good reason why a team like Creighton and St Mary's might be a better choice than a 7th or 8th place team form a BCS conference.

He only included double digit seeds of the teams form major conferences and double digits seeds from mid-majors that were at-large or would of been at-large if they wouldn't have been AQ. The "middling majors" were 19-34 (.358) and the "quality mids" were 60-90 (.400) during the time span.

[Panther789]

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They have some nice wins. I won't argue that.

What I will say . . . have you taken a look at their non-conference schedule? Losses to A-10 "bubble" teams Rhode Island AND Temple . . . and victories over, well, nobody.

My question: Would a school from a mid-major conference, with an RPI of 66, even be entertained for an at-large bid at this spot?

Of course not, but that's not dispositive. A mid-major team with that RPI almost certainly wouldn't have 6 top 50 wins(all against teams most likely in the field).

PSU's non-conference schedule was miserable, and that is why they are right on the bubble. Like I've said, they probably need 1 win to be in the discussion, and 2 wins to be safe.

[DrewDog]

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I'd like to ESPN dedicate a night of the week to a conference outside the Big East, ACC, Big Ten or Big 12.

I mean how many times can I see Duke?

Let's have Atlantic 10, Missouri Valley Wednesdays.

I have been saying that for a couple years. They should have "Mid Major Midweek" like "Big Monday"

[9YRPLAN]

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I'd take 'em 5 out of 10. What's funny then? Who's more deserving of a spot then?

You really think Minnesota would beat Creighton 8 out of 10 times? Worse yet, since you responded to a comment about the Big Ten getting 8 teams in . . . you think that's okay? 8 out of the 11 teams?

5 out of 10 sounds about right to me. i wasnt the one who called it a joke. how can it be a complete joke if the big ten #8 would split with the MVC #2?

[jman2004]

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5 out of 10 sounds about right to me. i wasnt the one who called it a joke. how can it be a complete joke if the big ten #8 would split with the MVC #2?

You're getting off topic. The point is NOT whether the Big Ten is up and down, better than the Valley. That's a no-brainer.

The question is whether or not Creighton deserves a bid over a team like Minnesota . . . I think the argument could be made in Creighton's favor.

[kcpanther20]

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That is a good article. I'm tired of hearing schools justify individual points for why they deserve to get in. Especially Frank Martin(KSU) this evening saying something to the effect of take away the RPI then look at our resume. Um, hey Frank, the RPI is a collaboration of your resume and 81 doesn't cut it. I guess I am just a big believer that the RPI numbers don't lie.

[9YRPLAN]

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You're getting off topic. The point is NOT whether the Big Ten is up and down, better than the Valley. That's a no-brainer.

The question is whether or not Creighton deserves a bid over a team like Minnesota . . . I think the argument could be made in Creighton's favor.

im not getting off topic. im saying that its not a complete joke. each of the big ten teams have a legit argument (and a marquee win)

[jman2004]

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im not getting off topic. im saying that its not a complete joke. each of the big ten teams have a legit argument (and a marquee win)

Yeah, and I agree with that, but that's not all you were saying. You were comparing Creighton and Minnesota, implying that the top of our conference couldn't keep up with the middle of the Big Ten conference on a regular basis. No one was really arguing that . . . you just brought it up out of the blue.

[9YRPLAN]

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It is a joke. It's like one of those bad jokes that you have to laugh at because your boss or your in-laws told it but isn't really funny at all.

did you not see this quote?

[jman2004]

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did you not see this quote?

Yeah. I did.

But then I saw this one from you, comparing Minnesota and Creighton . . .

a joke that funny can only mean that Creighton would beat Minnesota 8 out of 10 times. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

And after I commented to you, you responded with this one . . .

5 out of 10 sounds about right to me. i wasnt the one who called it a joke. how can it be a complete joke if the big ten #8 would split with the MVC #2?

It seemed to me that you were comparing the Big Ten to the MVC. I didn't understand why you were doing that. The Big Ten is obviously a better conference top to bottom. No one was really questioning that. No one was really questioning teams like Minnesota and teams like Michigan, who have beaten the likes of Louisville and Duke this season. Penn State and Northwestern were the teams people have called into question. So I don't know why you brought Minnesota into the discussion. Were you just seizing an opportunity to pimp the Big Ten?

I wasn't looking to argue. I agree with you. The top 7 teams of the Big Ten have pretty good resumes and pretty good arguments and I wouldn't be terribly heartbroken if they got in the tournament over teams like Creighton or St. Mary's.