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  • Should parity increase?

    It has become more evident as time has gone on that college basketball is becoming alot like college football, in that athletes that really have little to no business taking roster spots on BCS type schools. It seems to me that coaches (and their staffs) add players to their rosters to just 'fill them out'. I'm not naive to think that it's just the BCS schools, but it makes a difference. The turnover at BCS schools are becoming greater and greater. The situations at both Iowa and Iowa State magnify it currently. I think there was doubt that some of the 4 individuals that transferred from Iowa/ISU this week were really going to be good enough at those respective schools. These student-athletes are given the star treatment, only to realize a year or two later that things are not as they appear as their roles will probably not expand.

    There are exceptions, and I don't believe that anyone should prevent anyone else to make a decision for or tell someone they aren't good enough, just b/c it's their opinion, even though an opportunity arises.

    In the 1980's the NCAA capped the number of mens basketball scholarships at 13 per team. It prevented big schools from loading up on talent that sat at the end of the bench rather than get opportunities to play...in addition to making more parity in the game, and limiting scholarship opportunities to help with Title IX concerns.

    So, what if the number of scholarships was pared again, down to 12. You would still probably see great competition in games, and depth wouldn't really be that big of a factor, as teams usually only have 7-10 man rotations (minus Creighton!). It would still allow for player development through redshirting, and in all honesty, you would probably see one more walk-on added, as most teams would still carry about 15 (in order to have scout and scrimmage teams). It may improve development too, as individual student-athletes may get more playing time in games and practice as compared to there being more bodies currently.

    This could affect schools like UNI in a major way, while probably not doing much to the overall depth at BCS schools. With 6 BCS conferences and an average of 12 teams per conference, you are looking at about 72 players spread out over 4 years that wouldn't be at BCS schools and instead at schools like MVC/A-10/MWC/etc... It would improve the quality at the mid-major level, and prevent BCS schools from hording talent, only for those individuals to not play alot of minutes over their four years, or transfer out.

    On a side note, it could also be basketball's part for helping with the Title IX solution.

    Thoughts?
    The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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    Re: Should parity increase?

    Originally posted by Panthers to the Bone View Post
    The turnover at BCS schools are becoming greater and greater. These student-athletes are given the star treatment, only to realize a year or two later that things are not as they appear as their roles will probably not expand.

    Thoughts?
    People who live in glass houses.......
    How many student/athletes have transfered from the UNI basketball team the last 5 years? Isn't O'Rear the only one left out of that recruiting class? Isn't Brown the only senior on our team that started with us as a freshman?

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    • #3
      Re: Should parity increase?

      Originally posted by mrcat View Post
      People who live in glass houses.......
      How many student/athletes have transfered from the UNI basketball team the last 5 years? Isn't O'Rear the only one left out of that recruiting class? Isn't Brown the only senior on our team that started with us as a freshman?
      From my previous post.

      I'm not naive to think that it's just the BCS schools
      I think it would benefit all levels.
      The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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      • #4
        Re: Should parity increase?

        Originally posted by Panthers to the Bone View Post
        So, what if the number of scholarships was pared again, down to 12.... honesty, you would probably see one more walk-on added, as most teams would still carry about 15 (in order to have scout and scrimmage teams).

        Thoughts?
        Scholarships mean a lot to student/athletes and their families. Why endorse paring the number of scholarships down yet again. Isn't that hurting the very student/athletes that make the basketball program what it is? Student/athletes work hard for the few scholarships that are available. I would hate to see that many student/athletes lose a scholarship every year just because someone thinks it would help their own team.

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        • #5
          Re: Should parity increase?

          Originally posted by mrcat View Post
          People who live in glass houses.......
          How many student/athletes have transfered from the UNI basketball team the last 5 years? Isn't O'Rear the only one left out of that recruiting class? Isn't Brown the only senior on our team that started with us as a freshman?
          I think most if not all left because we brought better talent in after them and they knew they had to leave or sit on the bench. Our recruiting level just keeps getting better. I worry about our new recruit Morrison not being able to kick it up a notch? But who knows. He is on a role lately at state!!!

          Sounds like most are doing well for themselves.

          Much different than at Iowa. There is a mini revolt against the coach going on over there. Smith, Freeman, Kelly, others to come. Weird and sad situation.

          With Iowa state I have no idea. Might be the same reasons as UNI. they want to play and can see the writing on the wall. Of course wesley Johsnon hurt them. He went to Syracuse. the way they have played the last 2 years can you really blame him. Who would not want to play for the cuse these days. I mean 6 OTs these guys love to play and play hard. No offense to coach MAC but the cuse sound like a lot more fun to play for than the clones. Good move Wesley. You only get one college career!!
          Last edited by williebat; 03-27-2009, 09:09 AM.

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          • #6
            Re: Should parity increase?

            Originally posted by Panthers to the Bone View Post
            I think there was doubt that some of the 4 individuals that transferred from Iowa/ISU this week were really going to be good enough at those respective schools.
            Thoughts?
            Why do we feel so much better/different about student/athletes transferrng from UNI because "we are bringing in better talent", than student/athletes transfering from Iowa/ISU because there are doubts they were really good enough at those respective schools? Isn't it the same excuse?

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            • #7
              Re: Should parity increase?

              Originally posted by fur ball View Post
              Why do we feel so much better/different about student/athletes transferrng from UNI because "we are bringing in better talent", than student/athletes transfering from Iowa/ISU because there are doubts they were really good enough at those respective schools? Isn't it the same excuse?
              Much different at Iowa. There is a mini revolt against the coach going on over there. Smith, Freeman, Kelly, others to come. Weird and sad situation. Those are their best players 3 years in a row

              With Iowa state I have no idea. Might be the same reasons as UNI. they want to play and can see the writing on the wall. I don't think it is bad if someone leaves if they are not ging to play. Seems like a smart move.

              Of course wesley Johsnon hurt them. He went to Syracuse. the way they have played the last 2 years can you really blame him. Who would not want to play for the cuse these days. I mean 6 OTs these guys love to play and play hard. No offense to coach MAC but the cuse sound like a lot more fun to play for than the clones. Good move Wesley. You only get one college career!!

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              • #8
                Re: Should parity increase?

                Originally posted by mrcat View Post
                People who live in glass houses.......
                How many student/athletes have transfered from the UNI basketball team the last 5 years? Isn't O'Rear the only one left out of that recruiting class? Isn't Brown the only senior on our team that started with us as a freshman?
                Are you comparing the redshirt freshman and players that didn't crack the top 8 rotation as Fr or So to the LEADING scorers on those other teams? Seriously? Yes, UNI has had a number of players transfer. But none were even saw consistent playing time here, let alone were high scorers/major in-game contributors or were going to be counted on the year after they left to be so.

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                • #9
                  Re: Should parity increase?

                  i dont mind the transferring. its part of the game. the coaches prepare for it and the players know its an option.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Should parity increase?

                    Would limiting coaches pay help bring parity? It seems everytime a school in a smaller market starts to get good a bigger school just hires their coach because they can afford to.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Should parity increase?

                      I don't mind free market principles, where if the coaches can get paid more elsewhere, they shouldn't be restricted in how much they earn. The economy should dictate that. I just wonder if that 13th scholarship student-athlete is going to continuously be the one who transfers out, why not pare down each team by 1 scholarship for parity and Title IX reasons (and economy). The likelihood is that there will still be walk-ons, so if the individual is good enough, there will still be opportunities. However, I think it slows down the transfer parade and makes the game a little more fun with more parity.
                      The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Should parity increase?

                        Rather than pare down on the number of scholarshiped student/athletes, I'd much rather they pare down the number of coaches and supporting staff by at least one. If the individual coaches and supporting staff are good enough there would still be opportunities for them.

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