Games Tonight

[joecooll6]

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I still think we have to finish 4-2 to get an at large bid. Still a lot of work to do. Can't take our foot off the gas. Honestly, that game hurts us more than helps.

[DWadle1983]

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What is currently on the NCAA website regarding what each conference's unit share is worth:

Basketball Distribution Fund
The basketball fund provides for moneys to be distributed to Division I conferences based on their performance in the Division I Men's Basketball Championship over a six-year rolling period (for the period 2003-2008 for the 2008-09 distribution). Independent institutions receive a full unit share based on its tournament participation over the same rolling six-year period. The basketball fund payments are sent to conferences and independent institutions in mid-April each year. If a new member participates in the Division I men's basketball championship in March-April 2009, the units for participating will be included in the basketball distribution sent April 2010.

One unit is awarded to each institution participating in each game, except the championship game. In 2007-08, each basketball unit was approximately $191,000 for a total $143.3 million distribution.

In 2008-09, each basketball unit will be approximately $206,020 for a total $154.7 million distribution.

For the purpose of distributing the basketball fund, a conference is defined as one that comprises at least six member institutions that have been classified in Division I for the eight preceding academic years. If a conference falls below the six-member requirement, the basketball fund moneys are retained by the conference for a one-year period only.

No conference will lose all of its units if it is represented in the tournament by an institution that later is declared ineligible. In this situation, the number of units in the basketball pool would be reduced to one. [By way of example, assume that Conference A is represented in the tournament by only one institution (the automatic qualifier), and that it advances to the Final Four, thereby earning five units. If the institution subsequently is declared ineligible, the number of units will be reduced to one. In an-other scenario, assume that the conference is represented by two teams (one automatic qualifier and an at-large team), and one of the teams subsequently is declared ineligible. Its units will be completely vacated; the units earned by the other team will be unaffected.]

Conferences are urged, but not required, to distribute money from the basketball fund equally among all their member institutions.

Based on PTTB's previous articles, UNI receives 1/12 of what another team would earn for the conference, so 12 divided into $206,020 (didn't find what the 09-10 conference unit share would be worth) or the share that a 2nd MVC team would earn for the conference, would be $17,168.

[JayJ79]

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Not so fast.

WSU or anyone else could still win the MVC Tourney and UNI would get their at-large.

The question becomes: what is better for UNI: not winning the MVC tourney, which would mean the conference gets two teams in the NCAA tourney (since UNI should be a lock for an at-large if they don't get the AQ)
Or winning the MVC tourney, which could bump them up a few spots in seeding, thus hopefully giving them a better chance to advance once they are in the tournament.

Of course, you don't really strategize such things. It's best just to give 100% each game and let the chips fall as they may.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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Good stuff DWadle. So, if UNI were to play in a tourney game, they get 2/12 (or 1/6) of the monies b/c the way the MVC sets it up, each MVC team gets 1/12, the MVC office gets 1/12, and the team participating in that game gets an additional 1/12.

As stated in the article it's on a rolling 6 year period, so one NCAA game that another MVC school plays in is worth approximately $17,168 x 6 years. If UNI plays in that game where a unit is given, it would be approximately $34,300 x 6 years.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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The question becomes: what is better for UNI: not winning the MVC tourney, which would mean the conference gets two teams in the NCAA tourney (since UNI should be a lock for an at-large if they don't get the AQ)
Or winning the MVC tourney, which could bump them up a few spots in seeding, thus hopefully giving them a better chance to advance once they are in the tournament.

Of course, you don't really strategize such things. It's best just to give 100% each game and let the chips fall as they may.

At this point, if UNI were to run the table, it would be best for someone to knock UNI off in the semis or finals. But, if UNI loses two more games, then it makes it difficult to project seeding to be higher than a 7 seed, which is what UNI is trying to get to, so that they can stay out of the 1/2 seed games in the 2nd round.

[jegbomb52]

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A victory clinches the Conference Title...2 wins for an outright title...but win tomorrow, we clinch it the big #1!!!



how sweet it is!!!

Not the #1 seed @ Arch Madness, not #1.

Just like football.

Not the MVC AQ, not MVC Champ

Lets just win two games and move on. Even though I think one clinches the #1 seed.

Remaining games:

UNI: @ Drake, @ Bradley, Creighton, @ Evansville, Illinois State.

Wichita: MSU, Evansville, @ Bradley, SIU

Home wins against the 9 and 10th place team will bing you squat for points. 3 and 1 respectively. MSU is currently 7th, they would get 7 points for a home win against them. A win at Bradley could garner them upwards of 12 points. They are significantly behind us as it is. The most tiebreaker points WSU can earn between now and the end of the season is 23. They are currently 11 behind us. Winning tonight would only get us 8 points still leaving them in the hunt for a win out and us a lose out. Don't count your chicken's folks. We need two wins, or a combination of a win or loss by WSU, or just 2 losses by WSU.

[panther2317]

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All last night shows me is that any team is vulnerable on the road. Big game at the Knapp tonight.

[EVSPanther]

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The question becomes: what is better for UNI: not winning the MVC tourney, which would mean the conference gets two teams in the NCAA tourney (since UNI should be a lock for an at-large if they don't get the AQ)
Or winning the MVC tourney, which could bump them up a few spots in seeding, thus hopefully giving them a better chance to advance once they are in the tournament.

Of course, you don't really strategize such things. It's best just to give 100% each game and let the chips fall as they may.

My opinion...as nice as it would be to get multiple teams from the MVC in the tourney to help our chances of getting more $$$ from the NCAA, I would just as well UNI win-out and go deeper in the tourney to pick up the additional shares. If we are talking "ideally", I would take a MVC tourney win and a sweet 16 on UNI's ticket. This way we get more good pub longer from the national media outlets, on top of more money from the NCAA to disperse between the league teams. I think from a UNI perspective, this would be the best-case scenario. Just my 2 cents.

[TheMacHouse]

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their RPI will plummet...i'd guess near 65-70.

Realtime shows their RPI is 51 after the loss which is a shock. At least they have a chance to get back into the top 50 to help UNI.

[TheMacHouse]

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Not the #1 seed @ Arch Madness, not #1.

Just like football.

Not the MVC AQ, not MVC Champ

Lets just win two games and move on. Even though I think one clinches the #1 seed.

Remaining games:

UNI: @ Drake, @ Bradley, Creighton, @ Evansville, Illinois State.

Wichita: MSU, Evansville, @ Bradley, SIU

Home wins against the 9 and 10th place team will bing you squat for points. 3 and 1 respectively. MSU is currently 7th, they would get 7 points for a home win against them. A win at Bradley could garner them upwards of 12 points. They are significantly behind us as it is. The most tiebreaker points WSU can earn between now and the end of the season is 23. They are currently 11 behind us. Winning tonight would only get us 8 points still leaving them in the hunt for a win out and us a lose out. Don't count your chicken's folks. We need two wins, or a combination of a win or loss by WSU, or just 2 losses by WSU.

Even though this will not happen I decided to look up if WSU wins out and UNI wins tonight and than lose out after that what it would look for tiebreaker. I only see 3 differences in W/L between the 2 teams. UNI would have 2 road wins vs CU and IlST and WSU would have 2 home wins against them which means UNI would be +2 at this point. The only other difference would be UNI would have a win @ DU and WSU would have a win @BU so if DU finished ahead, tied, or within 1 place of BU then UNI wins tiebreak. If UNI would lose tonight and win @BU then it would be over and UNI would clinch #1.

We just need to win out and nothing else matters.

[orangetennis]

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how much of a difference is the #1 or #2 seed in st louis? every team 3-8 is about equal anyway.

[DWadle1983]

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Realtime shows their RPI is 51 after the loss which is a shock. At least they have a chance to get back into the top 50 to help UNI.

They only dropped 13. I'm also surprised it wasn't more.