What do you want to see?

[CyCarp]

Remember last year when Adam would get a call go against him or get fouled hard, and he'd get up looking like he wanted to jack somebody in the face? I want to see that. I want to see a little emotion, and see somebody get POed - then taking it out on the other team, no matter if we're already up 10, or down 10.

[ProwlingPanther]

Re: What do you want to see?

Remember last year when Adam would get a call go against him or get fouled hard, and he'd get up looking like he wanted to jack somebody in the face? I want to see that. I want to see a little emotion, and see somebody get POed - then taking it out on the other team, no matter if we're already up 10, or down 10.

Yes............................................... ....

I also want to see somebody come off the bench with some passion. Our second flight last year was about as exciting as our starters.

[Moose39]

Re: What do you want to see?

Yes............................................... ....

I also want to see somebody come off the bench with some passion. Our second flight last year was about as exciting as our starters.

Don't hate on me for suggesting it, but should AJ go back on the bench? Perhaps put O'Rear back to be the 6th man?

I'm not suggesting that there are bench players more talented than those two fwiw

[ProwlingPanther]

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Don't hate on me for suggesting it, but should AJ go back on the bench? Perhaps put O'Rear back to be the 6th man?

I'm not suggesting that there are bench players more talented than those two fwiw

We are not as deep as we were last year. Hopefully Rank and Pehl can step it up. I would love to see O'Rear come off the bench but he needs to be on the floor as much as possible the talent gap between him and the bench is too great.

AJ, imo, needs to be on the floor as much as possible.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: What do you want to see?

AJ isnt part of the problem

lucas might be

[UNIChippewa]

Re: What do you want to see?

You guys bring up some good points.

Nothing against Kerwin, and I'm not saying he should kept out of the rotation or kicked off the team or anything, but we ended up playing pretty well without him, and now we're 0-2 with him back.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting he is the issue, but is there something to the idea of our rotation that had been established without him having to readjust to having him back again and that is throwing us off in small, subtle ways?

[UNI83]

Re: What do you want to see?

You guys bring up some good points.

Nothing against Kerwin, and I'm not saying he should kept out of the rotation or kicked off the team or anything, but we ended up playing pretty well without him, and now we're 0-2 with him back.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting he is the issue, but is there something to the idea of our rotation that had been established without him having to readjust to having him back again and that is throwing us off in small, subtle ways?

Or it could be that we have lost on 2 last second shots, and are 4 seconds away from possibly being 2-0 in conference and in the early season driver seat.

[UNIChippewa]

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Or it could be that we have lost on 2 last second shots, and are 4 seconds away from possibly being 2-0 in conference and in the early season driver seat.

Well, yes, I realize that too, but we had leads in both games, including what? Being up 15-4 against S. Illinois? How did we lose those types of leads? We weren't losing them earlier in the season.

Look, I didn't get the chance to see the last two games on TV, so maybe I'm just searching for answers and making our issues more complex than they need to be.

[ProwlingPanther]

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I don't know that Kerwin played in the last game and I can assure you that we are a better team with Kerwin than without him. We beat Old Dominion without JE last year but we were a much better team with him on the court.

['70 Grad]

Re: What do you want to see?

[QUOTE=UNIChippewa;256880we had leads in both games, including what? Being up 15-4 against S. Illinois? How did we lose those types of leads? [/QUOTE]

We started out shooting pretty hot in Carbondale. Our final percentage was average, so we cooled off by quite a bit (not totally unexpected).

[UNI83]

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Or it could be that we have lost on 2 last second shots, and are 4 seconds away from possibly being 2-0 in conference and in the early season driver seat.

Well, yes, I realize that too, but we had leads in both games, including what? Being up 15-4 against S. Illinois? How did we lose those types of leads? We weren't losing them earlier in the season.

Look, I didn't get the chance to see the last two games on TV, so maybe I'm just searching for answers and making our issues more complex than they need to be.

How did we lose that lead?

Well at one point the possessions looked something like this in the first half

11:21 Sonnen misses the second of 2 FT 18-7 UNI
11:04 Fay hits 2 FT 18-9 UNI
10:48 AJ misses a three
10:35 Brown-Surles misses a three 18-9 UNI
10:10 TO by KA (steal by Mykel Cleveland)
9:59 3 pointer by Jack Crowder 18-11 UNI
9:38 TO by KA (steal by Jack Crowder)
9:20 3 pointer by Brown-Surles 18-14 UNI
8:54 TO by Jake (steal by Nate Mitchell)
8:42 3 pointer by Brown-Surles 18-17 UNI.
8:27 Johnny missed a three
8:10 3 pointer by Brown-Surles SIU 20-18

There is a 13-0 run in just over 3 minutes. Probably the worst three minute stretch in a long time for UNI. That was just a part of a 16-1 run at one point, to match the 15-4 run we had to start the game. Schtick happens like that. To say we are losing because we had a starter come back is asinine and IT IS making our issues more complex than they need to be.

We didn't play great, but we played well enough to win. SIU won because of bench points, 19-10 and points in the paint 18-12. Add to that the 12-14 FT for SIU compared to UNI only getting to the line 8 times (made 6) and that is the ball game a couple times over.

Oh and Brown-Surles went for 14 against us, even with that game he is now averaging 5 PPG. Mykel Cleveland had double figures against us as well (10 or 12 I believe) and that brought his average up to 2.9 PPG. Just some more information as to how well SIU may have played against us.

[UNIChippewa]

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To say we are losing because we had a starter come back is asinine and IT IS making our issues more complex than they need to be.

Hey, you know what? Do not put words in my mouth that I never wrote.

I looked back at my original post and I don't think at any point did I write or infer that Kerwin is the reason why we are losing. I merely asked if having him back in the rotation, after we had played well without him and gotten used to having a rotation without him, was throwing us off in any way or ways.

The rest of your post was well done and excellent, and thank you for that part, but I could do without being called asinine.

[Panther-Sheik]

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Ideally Pehl would be the starter and Luke would still be our 6th man, IMO. Pehl just isn't anwwhere near ready for that role, though. Keep giving the guy quality minutes this year, though, and he will impress next year and hopefully yet this year. I really like Luke off the bench, though. He is such a problem for 2nd string centers that his energy was huge last year. AJ needs to start, though. He is too valuable. What I would really like to see is Sonnen take up the leadership role for the guys off the bench. Kerwin is quiet so I don't think that is his nature. I'd love to see Sonnen rekindle some of that aggressiveness that he showed in the tourney last year, though. He is the guy that can spur some bench scoring.

[OrangeChicken]

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Ideally Pehl would be the starter and Luke would still be our 6th man, IMO. Pehl just isn't anwwhere near ready for that role, though. Keep giving the guy quality minutes this year, though, and he will impress next year and hopefully yet this year. I really like Luke off the bench, though. He is such a problem for 2nd string centers that his energy was huge last year. AJ needs to start, though. He is too valuable. What I would really like to see is Sonnen take up the leadership role for the guys off the bench. Kerwin is quiet so I don't think that is his nature. I'd love to see Sonnen rekindle some of that aggressiveness that he showed in the tourney last year, though. He is the guy that can spur some bench scoring.

Impressive "though" usage. Haha.

[Panther-Sheik]

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Impressive "though" usage. Haha.

I should have thrown in an "although" Just re-read it and sure sounds stupid, huh? Textbook on why I shouldn't be on this site at work. Partial posts often sound