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[panther-state]

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Based on stats Koch probably will not sniff PoY this year and who knows about next year. But he is without question one of this league's top players and best talents. He is just as good if not better than Adam. BTW, I hope Bennett follows this pattern

Speaking of PoY, ANTHONY JAMES is looking really good and there have been some games where he has "quietly" but up 10-15 points which is quite amazing considering the type of offensive play we are used to here at Northern Iowa. I hope he keeps it going in conference play and blows past McDermott, Odum, etc...

I'd also like to see Seth and Deon continue to play solid and find their way into the Freshman of the Year race

[Hail Our Panthers]

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Speaking of POY, there's that Mc$ kid...

[orangetennis]

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Look, I already said Jake is a good player and perfect for UNI. I am just saying he isn't going to get any POY consideration with his current stats. There are about a dozen players in the MVC with better resumes than Jake Koch, including our own Anthony James.

Adam won POY because he was the best player on a team that won the MVC by a large margin. Jake is not our best player and we haven't played one conference game.

THIS.

Not to mention there wasn't much competition that year for POY.

[Casey'sitsallgood]

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This one's not on me - don't know if that breaks the hex though. I am still TIC.

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[Khan4Cats]

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Look, I already said Jake is a good player and perfect for UNI. I am just saying he isn't going to get any POY consideration with his current stats. There are about a dozen players in the MVC with better resumes than Jake Koch, including our own Anthony James.

Adam won POY because he was the best player on a team that won the MVC by a large margin. Jake is not our best player and we haven't played one conference game.

Based on stats Koch probably will not sniff PoY this year and who knows about next year. But he is without question one of this league's top players and best talents. He is just as good if not better than Adam. BTW, I hope Bennett follows this pattern

Speaking of PoY, ANTHONY JAMES is looking really good and there have been some games where he has "quietly" but up 10-15 points which is quite amazing considering the type of offensive play we are used to here at Northern Iowa. I hope he keeps it going in conference play and blows past McDermott, Odum, etc...

I'd also like to see Seth and Deon continue to play solid and find their way into the Freshman of the Year race

You guys both point out Anthony James as "more qualified" than Jake when the only area in which he leads the team in is points scored. I would think as Panther fans we would be able to agree that only looking at points scored/scoring average is a poor way to measure one's value. I don't want to make this about putting one Panther against another as the great thing about Jake's system is that different players have different roles and they are all equally valuable to the team. We wouldn't be 9-1 without the contributions of Johnny, Deon, Seth, Marc, Austin, Chip, Matt, etc. This TEAM is definitely greater than its individual parts. Shut one part down and another will creep up and bite you, pick your poison because they are all willing to work and share the load depending on what the opponent wants to take away.

[Khan4Cats]

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THIS.

Not to mention there wasn't much competition that year for POY.

Osiris Eldridge, Dinma Odiakosa, Andrew Warren, Kenny Lawson, Clevin Hannah, Josh Young, Sam Maniscalco,...

all had great "numbers" and could have had a case made for them for POY, heck on the Panthers there was debate about whether Jordan E. might be more deserving than Adam.

But you are correct in that the award has typically gone to a player deemed the 'most important' on the team that wins the league. Hence, the reason Adam Emmenecker won despite not having eye-popping stats for Drake.

Regardless, I hope we are able to make a case for about 5 or 6 Panthers to earn it come March!

[Kyle]

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You guys both point out Anthony James as "more qualified" than Jake when the only area in which he leads the team in is points scored. I would think as Panther fans we would be able to agree that only looking at points scored/scoring average is a poor way to measure one's value. I don't want to make this about putting one Panther against another as the great thing about Jake's system is that different players have different roles and they are all equally valuable to the team. We wouldn't be 9-1 without the contributions of Johnny, Deon, Seth, Marc, Austin, Chip, Matt, etc. This TEAM is definitely greater than its individual parts. Shut one part down and another will creep up and bite you, pick your poison because they are all willing to work and share the load depending on what the opponent wants to take away.

We're not talking about Jake's value to our team, we are talking his chances of getting POY. Right now, his chances are slim.

[panther-state]

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You guys both point out Anthony James as "more qualified" than Jake when the only area in which he leads the team in is points scored. I would think as Panther fans we would be able to agree that only looking at points scored/scoring average is a poor way to measure one's value. I don't want to make this about putting one Panther against another as the great thing about Jake's system is that different players have different roles and they are all equally valuable to the team. We wouldn't be 9-1 without the contributions of Johnny, Deon, Seth, Marc, Austin, Chip, Matt, etc. This TEAM is definitely greater than its individual parts. Shut one part down and another will creep up and bite you, pick your poison because they are all willing to work and share the load depending on what the opponent wants to take away.

I didn't mean to say that, although I can see how it is implied. Personally I do think ANTHONY JAMES has a better shot at PoY because he is consistently scoring points and that is what gets noticed. Plus he is right behind Koch on a number of stats (rebounds, assists, fewer turnovers, etc...). I'm not saying one is better than the other, I was just pointing out that That we have multiple contributors and guys who deserve recognition at this point. I don't think UNI will ever have another PoY without winning the conference (under Ben's reign) because of the system we use and how it really doesn't have a place for that one big star to really shine. But I wouldn't have it any other way, that's who we are and that's how we win.

[desertcat]

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I think the only way UNI has a chance of getting someone named POY is if they win the conference in the regular season. If we do, which will be extremely hard but possible, then Jake gets POY for his all around game. He won't score as much as AJ, but he won't take as many shots either. But what Jake does in all facets: rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks makes him our most valuable player in my opinion. Ultimately I'm just very proud of the team ball we play. But Tuttle and Mitchell both have a decent chance at FOY. I can't wait for league play to start so we can get a better feel on our team and the competition.

[BCPanther]

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Doug McDermott, barring injury, already has the next three PoYs locked up.

[GoPanthers85]

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Tuttle and Mitchell both have a decent chance at FOY. I can't wait for league play to start so we can get a better feel on our team and the competition.

What do we think their chances are? Also what other freshman are standing out in the valley? Right now I would think Tuttle would be right near the top of that list, he has played great this year!

[panther-state]

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What do we think their chances are? Also what other freshman are standing out in the valley? Right now I would think Tuttle would be right near the top of that list, he has played great this year!

Alright after some statistical research, here are the other Freshman in the MVC who, at this point, look to be the top contenders (I will keep stats in same order and use the same ones for each player):

Player's Name---------mpg ppg rpg aps spg bpg topg FG% FT%

Seth Tuttle-----------22.0 8.2 5.5 1.0 1.3 0.8 1.1 .660 .593

Deon Mitchell---------21.1 6.9 2.3 1.4 1.0 0.0 2.6 .444 .706

Nic Moore (ISUr)------25.7 7.8 1.8 4.1 0.8 0.0 1.9 .385 .654

Karl Madison (Drake)---24.7 5.6 1.8 2.2 1.1 0.1 2.1 .308 .697

Jeremy Jeffers (Drake)--16.7 5.0 2.2 0.9 0.0 0.0 0.8 .467 .762

Honestly that's it. All of the other Freshman I found are kind of hovering in between Pehl and Singletons stat lines in terms of minutes, points, etc...(so in other words, not even close to guys like Tuttle and Moore at this point). There is definitely talent out there however.

Will Artino and Avery Dingman of Creighton could get into these talks if they start getting more minutes and Drew Wilson of Missouri State had an impressive stat line (20 mins 14 pts 5 rebs 1 asst 3 stl) until I noticed that this was only from 1 game (Ark St? I think). So the talent is there apparently but I wonder if he is now injured, disciplined, etc...

Things should begin to pan out once conference play gets here. I remember hearing about Moore during the offseason from a lot of people so this could be an interesting "race" between him and Seth (and others...)

[desertcat]

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nice statistical research panther-state!

[CincyPanther88]

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Doug McDermott, barring injury, already has the next three PoYs locked up.

That and his dad taking another job out of conference.

[DWadle1983]

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What do we think their chances are? Also what other freshman are standing out in the valley? Right now I would think Tuttle would be right near the top of that list, he has played great this year!

I don't read the board that much anymore so I apologize if this has been discussed before but if Doug McDermott was at UNI would Seth Tuttle likely have went somewhere else. I've wondered if Tuttle would have went to UNI if UNI had McDermott, Koch and Rank playing basically the same position already so Tuttle would be the answer in who UNI has because McDermott decommitted.