He GONE (They gone) thread.

[UNIdad]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

Big difference. It's his son. Having a rich family member pay for you school isn't a crime. McD was just lucky enough to have a son that ended up being this good. Hell, most sons get to be walk-ons with their dad. Should that be illegal or do you think only if this person used a scholarship previously that it shouldn't be allowed? I've heard of a couple of situations where players have given up a scholarship so the school could recruit an extra player. If the family is willing to pay, I see no harm in it. The only way it could be "abused" is if you found a ton of rich talent with families willing to pay or if some coach is blessed with a handful of kids with great talent.

Restricting people who can afford to pay from paying isn't really a road we'd want to go down. And heck, technically if a rich booster were friends of a family/kid for a long time I think he/she could pay for the kid to go anywhere if he/she chose to since there would be a long, pre-existing relationship with said recruit. I believe that has to have been established before middle school and can't be strictly a basketball relationship. Daddy McD passes all of those with his kid.

I don't think the "pre-existing relationship" clause allows for something as large as a scholarship from non-family members because it is pretty far beyond the normal expressions of their relationship over the years, unless maybe they paid private school tuition throughout K-12.

[UNIdad]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

I think Bubu Palo at Iowa State was technically a walk-on to start with. There was talk about him going back to walk-on in order to allow Iowa State to use a scholarship to keep Armardi after they got the PG from Marshall.

[SubGod22]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

I don't think the "pre-existing relationship" clause allows for something as large as a scholarship from non-family members because it is pretty far beyond the normal expressions of their relationship over the years, unless maybe they paid private school tuition throughout K-12.

I wondered about that as I was typing it. But I do know that they aren't considered "boosters" in the traditional sense and can actually help pay for things through HS and give them rides or whatever. Loaning them money here and there to take care of something won't get anyone in trouble

[UNIdad]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

I wondered about that as I was typing it. But I do know that they aren't considered "boosters" in the traditional sense and can actually help pay for things through HS and give them rides or whatever. Loaning them money here and there to take care of something won't get anyone in trouble

I think the basic idea is that if you have a relationship with a recruit that predates high school, you can continue in that relationship in the forms in which it was expressed back then. So, if the recruit joined you for family vacations in 6th grade, he still can. However, you can't dial up the benefits of the relationship once they are a recruit.

And don't get me started on the booster rules. They are crazy. Of the athletes we know, we don't get to know many of them until after they arrive on campus, but then have severe restrictions on what we can do with them, even though we do similar things for non-athletes.

[Silent Earl]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

If the family is willing to pay, I see no harm in it. The only way it could be "abused" is if you found a ton of rich talent with families willing to pay or if some coach is blessed with a handful of kids with great talent.

It's being "abused" right here in this situation. But then again McDermott has made a nice career out of abusing the system to his advantage while apparently staying just inside the legalities of it all. Paying the way for an all american on your team to open up a scholly for a player who gets an unprecedented 6th year at a time when the school is probably bumping his pay is about as underhanded a situation as I can think of, regardless of whether the all american is your son. If this guy didn't make a deal with the devil then there are no deals to be made.

And isn't anyone else getting deja vu over this? Didn't McD/CU pull the same thing 2 years ago or so? Or weren't they going to but then didn't get the recruit or transfer they were after?

[UNIdad]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

It isn't like McD went out during the off-season, found a great BB player, and adopted him as his son just so he could pay his tuition and open up a scholarship for someone else.

[panther-state]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

I could really care less. All this does is delay the inevitable and takes away valuable experience from players who will be thrown into the fire in 2 years when Creighton loses both of these players. All this means is that Creighton won't have the epic failure inaugural season in the Big East that all of us believed in when we thought Doug might go pro. Instead they'll just be average and then sink back into the mediocral slide they were headed for about 4 years ago.

If we still played them for a conference title then I might be outraged. I'm kinda glad they won't go straight from the "top" of the MVC to being the "Big East" bottom-feeders. That would only hurt our reputation more.

[Cat80]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

Now the McDermott's are being publicly lauded by national media for their generosity in giving up Doug's scholarship.

LOL

I have no idea why. As an employee of Creighton, Greg's dependents might have the tuition written off. They may have to pay for room and board if Dougie is still in the dorms, but no reason to praise the McD's.

[anderjao]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

I have no idea why. As an employee of Creighton, Greg's dependents might have the tuition written off. They may have to pay for room and board if Dougie is still in the dorms, but no reason to praise the McD's.

At Creighton, dependents can only have tuition waived if the employee has been working there for five years, which Greg hasn't, according to the article on ESPN. So the McDermott family will be paying out of pocket, and while Creighton's tuition isn't cheap, it's going to be nothing compared to Greg's large salary. Honestly, I have no idea what else basketball coaches use their hundreds of thousands/millions for.

[JayJ79]

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Honestly, I have no idea what else basketball coaches use their hundreds of thousands/millions for.

lots and lots of Natty Light

[CyCarp]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

To me the issue isn't necessarily the coach paying for his son, it's that the son is dropping his scholarship for somebody else, so the coach could pay for his son. This isn't comparable to other coaches paying for their sons to walk-on.

[TH1974]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

It's an outrage is what it is.

[Cat80]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

At Creighton, dependents can only have tuition waived if the employee has been working there for five years, which Greg hasn't, according to the article on ESPN. So the McDermott family will be paying out of pocket, and while Creighton's tuition isn't cheap, it's going to be nothing compared to Greg's large salary. Honestly, I have no idea what else basketball coaches use their hundreds of thousands/millions for.

Thanks for the info. You're right, let's not shed too many tears for the McD's. Or put them on a pedestal.

[achrist70]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

could someone photo shop a similar picture of Mc$

[JayJ79]

Re: He GONE (They gone) thread.

could someone photo shop a similar picture of Mc$

that would be slander, or libel, or whatever Lakes' favorite word was