Up Next: Drake

[run&blade]

Re: Up Next: Drake

Football would have had an awesome season if massive injuries didnt occur. I am not worried about that program at all.


Basketball hasnt been that good since mcdermott recruits were out of program. Isnt Crawford from Minneapolis? Why are we not getting players out of there? i noticed we have two bery undersized redshirts on the bench which is exactly what uni doesnt need. I heard the coach once say something along the lines of they are what they are and dont plan on changing. So short unathletic and no muscle is what we can expect.

You have got to have difference makers. Guys that are ok and only do the little things isnt going to win anything. Outside of tuttle the rest if the front court has no business playing major minutes in division i college basketball. Phil Jackson couldnt coach this team up any more because the cupboard is empty in terms of difference making talent.


Look at drake...at least they try....a juco and some foreign players..they know traditional methods dont cut it.

[arealcat]

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We must have been watching different teams the last three years because this absolutely has been the story of his career. I can't tell you how many times I've sent or received a "make a f@cking layup Deon" text over the last 3 years.

I see no similarity and his play and KA. The latter knew how to go in under control, kick out or stop for a mid range shot. DM does none of these with regularity. For years I've been faulting the coaches for not sitting him more for this type of play. Now they're actually doing just that and I'm not seeing much of a difference. He is what he is.

Too bad he couldn't get that one to go but shocked I am not.

I'm with panther-state. Sure he's missed some here and there, but I can remember making the comment I like him better than KA because he could finish. KA almost never got calls or finished early in his career, and his pull up jumper started coming later in his career. Last night it looked like Deon was anticipating contact and didn't get it multiple times. He seems tentative right now and maybe lost some confidence.

The fact about this game is that Drake started out ridiculously hot and put us in a hole. We came back from down around 20 points and probably should have won on the road.

Not sure what it was, but maybe our gameplan wasn't working or our guys were confused because many times it looked like we came down the court and didn't know how to attack or just dribbled around without a purpose.

Either way I'm not surprised we lost, but I wouldn't have been surprised if we won also. I agree we are lacking some pieces, but there is at least something there with this group. It's not like they don't have any talent and aren't trying. It's just not working as planned this year.

[r54uni]

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He's missed point blank lay ups his whole UNI career.

In junior high you learn to shoot your lay-ups over-hand, not under-hand like Deon does??

[PantherObserver]

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Enrollment has nothing to do with competitiveness in D1 sports. This isn't high school. It's all about lineage, resources, and money. Off the top of my head, Notre Dame has an enrollment of less than 10K, but is the only school in the world with their own TV contract. Again, this isn't high school. If you want another example, look up the enrollment at Miami of FL.

Also, Drake just beat us. Whatever faults you think they have can't gloss that over.

Miami has an enrollment of roughly 5 times what Drake has. Not a good comparison. Prestige and money at these schools is not even in the same galaxy, either. Same goes for the Duke example.

If enrollment has nothing to do with it and its all about money (again, I don't know), why is Wartburg D-3? Their facilities blow away Drake's. That school has all kinds of money coming in.

This is why I put "this is a serious question" in my post. I assumed that there was some sort of enrollment minimum to qualify as D-1, but I was not sure. That is why I asked.

[PantherObserver]

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Football would have had an awesome season if massive injuries didnt occur. I am not worried about that program at all.


Basketball hasnt been that good since mcdermott recruits were out of program. Isnt Crawford from Minneapolis? Why are we not getting players out of there? i noticed we have two bery undersized redshirts on the bench which is exactly what uni doesnt need. I heard the coach once say something along the lines of they are what they are and dont plan on changing. So short unathletic and no muscle is what we can expect.

You have got to have difference makers. Guys that are ok and only do the little things isnt going to win anything. Outside of tuttle the rest if the front court has no business playing major minutes in division i college basketball. Phil Jackson couldnt coach this team up any more because the cupboard is empty in terms of difference making talent.


Look at drake...at least they try....a juco and some foreign players..they know traditional methods dont cut it.

Singleton is from near Minneapolis.

The bigger question is why do we not recruit Chicago? A much more talent rich area than Minneapolis. That is what has always surprised me. One of the biggest hotbeds for high school basketball talent in the nation is 4-5 hours away, and I can't remember the last time we had a recruit from there in basketball.

Another example: Fred VanVleet is from Rockford, IL. 3 hours from Cedar Falls. Did we even attempt to make a run at him?

We don't recruit Illinois at all. We seem to be more satisfied recruiting small town Wisconsin, Iowa and Minneapolis. Places not exactly known for a plethora of basketball talent. We need to broaden our horizons big time. Chicago seems like a no brainer.

[Born-a-Panther]

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The problem that nobody seems to get is that at a school like ours, with our budget we're not going to do any better than what we've got. Too many schools have gotten rid of guys for being generally solid and have just fallen apart. The grass isn't any greener.

This.

And I also echo -- I'm not worried about our football program at all. Take away Jake Farley's gut wrenching injury and a very dumb hand to the face penalty, and we beat NDSU this year and our entire season is entirely different. We had the worst luck with injuries this year and that can't be denied. The stars were not lined up for us -- in fact, it seemed almost as if forces were conspiring against us. We've got a ton of talent and experience coming back... even more experience because of all the backups that got playing time this year. And a kick-butt recruiting class.

As far as basketball goes... I'm still convinced we've got the right guy at the head of the table. And that's all I'm going to say about that.

[arealcat]

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Singleton is from near Minneapolis.

Another example: Fred VanVleet is from Rockford, IL. 3 hours from Cedar Falls. Did we even attempt to make a run at him?

We don't recruit Illinois at all. We seem to be more satisfied recruiting small town Wisconsin, Iowa and Minneapolis. Places not exactly known for a plethora of basketball talent. We need to broaden our horizons big time. Chicago seems like a no brainer.

It's hard to say we don't recruit Illinois at all. We do currently and have had Illinois guys in the past. Also, where was all the criticism against our recruiting when we went to the Sweet 16 and and this program was blossoming? With success like that, at that time, it's hard to say "hey we need to recruit better". There is no instant fix in regards to recruiting unless you are a perennial power and can get top-tier talent. IF our recruiting plan needs fixing, it will take a few years to get the "right" players on campus and coached up.

[Lurking Dog]

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I assumed that there was some sort of enrollment minimum to qualify as D-1, but I was not sure.

Your assumptions are foolish. Drake doesn't even have the smallest enrollment in the conference.

So here's a serious answer: there's no minimum, and the Valley isn't carrying any Division II members.

You're welcome.

[panther-state]

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Knar is from Illinois. I think Deon is the only player on the roster not from Iowa-Minn-Wisconsin-Illinois. The vast majority of players are Iowans. Rank, Koch, Knar, Marvin and Deon are the only ones who are not right?

I've heard in the past on here, "well why aren't we recruiting the best players in this state? Why aren't we getting those guys?" Well these past 2 recruiting classes we did that. With the exception of Peter Jok, Morgan, Friedman and Lohaus are the highest rated and best prospects the state had to offer and they will all be wearing purple and gold.

If you look at the Recruiting lists you'll see plenty of names from the Minneapolis/Chicago areas. We're recruiting the areas but recruiting is a two way street from there.

[panther-state]

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Your assumptions are foolish. Drake doesn't even have the smallest enrollment in the conference.

So here's a serious answer: there's no minimum, and the Valley isn't carrying any Division II members.

You're welcome.

Well the verdict is still out on Evansville when all they run is a one man offense. Go play with Grinnell if you can't compete 5 v 5.

[PantherObserver]

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Knar is from Illinois. I think Deon is the only player on the roster not from Iowa-Minn-Wisconsin-Illinois. The vast majority of players are Iowans. Rank, Koch, Knar, Marvin and Deon are the only ones who are not right?

I've heard in the past on here, "well why aren't we recruiting the best players in this state? Why aren't we getting those guys?" Well these past 2 recruiting classes we did that. With the exception of Peter Jok, Morgan, Friedman and Lohaus are the highest rated and best prospects the state had to offer and they will all be wearing purple and gold.

If you look at the Recruiting lists you'll see plenty of names from the Minneapolis/Chicago areas. We're recruiting the areas but recruiting is a two way street from there.

Who was our last recruit from Chicago? Arguably the largest area for basketball talent in the midwest. We heavily recruit Minneapolis and have for years. Chicago itself is twice as big as the entire state of Minnesota, let alone Minneapolis.

[PantherObserver]

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Your assumptions are foolish. Drake doesn't even have the smallest enrollment in the conference.

So here's a serious answer: there's no minimum, and the Valley isn't carrying any Division II members.

You're welcome.

Really? We don't have any D-2 members? Wow, thanks man!

[BCPanther]

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Two things to address from above.

1--Fred VanVleet wouldn't have gotten into school here. He would have been a 'Prop 48/Non-Qualifier' if that rule still existed, but was able to get a super late ACT score to get into Wichita.

2--Our last Chicago kid was Jon Montgomery.

[Khan4Cats]

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Two things to address from above.

1--Fred VanVleet wouldn't have gotten into school here. He would have been a 'Prop 48/Non-Qualifier' if that rule still existed, but was able to get a super late ACT score to get into Wichita.

2--Our last Chicago kid was Jon Montgomery.

Knar and Johnny Moran are both Chicago suburb kids.

Jon Montgomery and Chris Olivier were both Chicago city kids, also had one we had offered and who had verballed, I think, but then was involved in a shooting or robbery. Haven't had great success there.

Minneapolis on the other hand has given us: Crawford, Coleman, Ahelegbe, Sonnen (all Tartan HS), as well as Singleton in recent years.

We got Anthony James out of St. Louis.

Of course Tuttle is from Sheffield, Iowa, population 1100. O'Rear, Stout, Eglseder, McKowen were all small-town kids as well. Maybe we should just stick to the big cities.

[Khan4Cats]

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Knar is from Illinois. I think Deon is the only player on the roster not from Iowa-Minn-Wisconsin-Illinois. The vast majority of players are Iowans. Rank, Koch, Knar, Marvin and Deon are the only ones who are not right?

I've heard in the past on here, "well why aren't we recruiting the best players in this state? Why aren't we getting those guys?" Well these past 2 recruiting classes we did that. With the exception of Peter Jok, Morgan, Friedman and Lohaus are the highest rated and best prospects the state had to offer and they will all be wearing purple and gold.

If you look at the Recruiting lists you'll see plenty of names from the Minneapolis/Chicago areas. We're recruiting the areas but recruiting is a two way street from there.

We also got Carlson, Tuttle, Bohannon and Buss off the top/near top of the state lists. Washpun was there as well but went elsewhere first.

Morgan, Carlson, Tuttle, Bohannon, Singleton all came in off of state championship runs and, the case of the 4 Iowans, were all All-Tournament MVP's their senior year for their class.