The Sky Has Fallen (2015-2016 Version)

[BCPanther]

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What is realistically the best Wyatt can be? I would say his ceiling is a solid shooter and defender. He isn't going to be able to drive against good teams.

Basically lohaus bohannan and knar are all the same player.

The team needs guys that can create their own shots. Without that you get the chuck a three offense.

Have you watched Wyatt play?

He's able to create space off the dribble and has a fantastic mid-range pull up game. He's just being forced to play out of position a lot this year.

I start to agree with some of your points, and then you pull crap like this that to casts doubt on whether you actually watch this team or you're so jaded that you can't really see what's going on on the floor.

[otter]

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I think Wyatt playing at the point this year will pay off dividends next year

[GonzoCat]

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Interesting how in bb all the blame falls on one or multiple players, whereas in fb all the blame falls on one or multiple coaches. Even when players are singled out it is the coaches fault for playing or recruiting those players.

I think we can stop worrying for now about one of the big boys hiring away the greatest all time all sport coach in UNI history. I don't think those programs are that interested in someone who coaches no offense, no pressure handling, and no conditioning.

If we make another run in 3-4 years, which is our next legitimate chance of being good, we can get our panties all in a bunch about losing him again.

Just reality, the sky hasn't fallen because my life doesn't totally revolve around UNI bb, or fb for that matter. The suns gonna rise tomorrow no matter how terrible a group of 18-23 year old athletes play a game today.

[run&blade]

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Have you watched Wyatt play?

He's able to create space off the dribble and has a fantastic mid-range pull up game. He's just being forced to play out of position a lot this year.

I start to agree with some of your points, and then you pull crap like this that to casts doubt on whether you actually watch this team or you're so jaded that you can't really see what's going on on the floor.

Wyatt will never ever have toe explosiveness of Wes or what kwadzo had. That is what this team needs, that and a big man that is the real deal.

So often people here argue over a pair of sunglasses but forget the spaceship everybody is on is crashing into the sun.

The team is missing parts, more practice or switching positions is t going to solve that.

Go get some players. Basketball is a talent game above anything else.

Ask yourself. Which players on this team have carried Uni to wins? Those are the types of guys you need. Wes has, Tuttle sure as heck did, jespersen has. Bohannan has but that was facilitated by other people drawing attention away from him, because he lacks the ability to create his own shot.

Roll players are fine but are worthless without difference makers.

[hoopfan]

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Wyatt will never ever have toe explosiveness of Wes or what kwadzo had. That is what this team needs, that and a big man that is the real deal.

So often people here argue over a pair of sunglasses but forget the spaceship everybody is on is crashing into the sun.

The team is missing parts, more practice or switching positions is t going to solve that.

Go get some players. Basketball is a talent game above anything else.

No one in the program will ever have Wes' explosiveness. That's not being argued. Wyatt is willing to go to the rim and is pretty crafty once he gets there. He's one of about 3 players on the team who is willing to put it on the floor rather than settle for a 3.

[Panther100]

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I keep seeing this notion of there being a lack of depth and the numbers game that created. Let's keep in mind that the original 9 man rotation was just fine. 4 guard lineup with 2 posts and 2 guards off the bench (plus Knar). That allowed for the 3 seniors and Jeremy to average between 28-32 min per game and still get Wyatt/AA about 15-20 min/game. If an injury occurred or a guy had an off night, there would still be a capable guard to take those minutes.
It would have been a total waste of a season for Spencer to play only 5-8 minutes/game as a true freshman. Think how significant he will be over the next 4 years. There were several people pining for Marvin to redshirt and only played a handful of minutes his freshman year. How important could he have been this year?
It was not in the best interest in UNI or McDonnell for him to play this year. There were going to be limited minutes this year and it's obvious that he could benefit so much from a year focused on the weight room. Our issue right now isn't remedied with Luke playing 10 minutes per game. It's guard depth and lack of ability to creat own shots. This is where AA was meant to thrive. That's why his premature departure is frustrating. It put more minutes on the current guards and it created a bench that doesn't have much ability to create shots consistently. Pulling Spencer's RS would have been short sighted...but so would have him only playing 8 minutes a game as a true freshman when there is plenty of room for growth (and a promising future).

The seniors need to push through this and do what they did to put them in the positions against UNC, ISU, among other early season successes. There is still lots to play for. At-large bid is gone. Top 2 finish is highly unlikely. But finishing in top 3-4 can still take place..,things just need to get remedies quickly. The league is just not strong enough to feel like you can't win night in and night out.

Marvin Singleton, Arias Austin, and Seth Tuttle are all gone. It's neither here nor there what they could have been this season. Coach Jake has known the situation since Final Exam week in December. He has shown little to correct or improve the system. Hence, we probably go 16-16 or worse. He could have let McDonnell and/or Haldeman play game one. Now we have nine players of limited talent. Jake needs to admit the system doesn't work for this team. More motion offense, 2/3 zone, box and 1 zone, 1-2-2/2-1-2 press all need to be implemented with our man to man defense. Instead we are all man to man defense, no pressing, run inside out action to a 3 point shot, and set a high ball screen and hope Wes gets to the rim. The teams have all figured this out since the Cyclone game. The team is headed for the exits yesterday.

[hoopfan]

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Marvin Singleton, Arias Austin, and Seth Tuttle are all gone. It's neither here nor there what they could have been this season. Coach Jake has known the situation since Final Exam week in December. He has shown little to correct or improve the system. Hence, we probably go 16-16 or worse. He could have let McDonnell and/or Haldeman play game one. Now we have nine players of limited talent. Jake needs to admit the system doesn't work for this team. More motion offense, 2/3 zone, box and 1 zone, 1-2-2/2-1-2 press all need to be implemented with our man to man defense. Instead we are all man to man defense, no pressing, run inside out action to a 3 point shot, and set a high ball screen and hope Wes gets to the rim. The teams have all figured this out since the Cyclone game. The team is headed for the exits yesterday.

You say we don't have any depth and have tired legs at the end of the game and your solution is to then start pressing full court?

I'm also curious from one of your previous posts about turning Bennett into a 3 point shooter? What has he shown you that would indicate he could become a decent shooter? Or do you just want him hanging out on the perimeter to shoot 30% like his brother Jake did rather than use his size in the post? Your upset that the post play isn't good this year and your idea to fix it is to take one of the post players and put him on the 3 pt. line?

I'm starting to think Coach Jake doesn't read these threads. You've consistently demanded that he make the changes you want made and they haven't happened yet. Have you tried emailing him?

[Panther100]

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You say we don't have any depth and have tired legs at the end of the game and your solution is to then start pressing full court?

I'm also curious from one of your previous posts about turning Bennett into a 3 point shooter? What has he shown you that would indicate he could become a decent shooter? Or do you just want him hanging out on the perimeter to shoot 30% like his brother Jake did rather than use his size in the post? Your upset that the post play isn't good this year and your idea to fix it is to take one of the post players and put him on the 3 pt. line?

I'm starting to think Coach Jake doesn't read these threads. You've consistently demanded that he make the changes you want made and they haven't happened yet. Have you tried emailing him?

I'm sure Coach and players are far too busy to worry about this thread. Our man to man defense is the bread and butter/ go to style. I'm fine with that. I think pressing 1-2-2 or 2-1-2 is necessary to disrupt opponent's offensive flow and create a few turnovers. The 2/3 and box in one zone would keep players out of foul trouble. I also think we lack the quickness to close out on shooters. I like Koch's foul shooting form. The coaches need to have him practice more three point attempts and run motion actions to get him three point shots. Koch has a very limited post up game. He dribbles to his strong hand into a jump hook. Occasionally he has made a good drop step pivot move or shot fake with a duck under shot. He is out of shape, I see him breathing hard a lot. This is in no way shape or form putting the blame on the players. I say this because they work on their own out of practice. It is up to the coaches to diagnose limitations and design a plan that fits the talent level of the team. I have evaluated many business plans and financial statements to make Long and short stock investments. Business fails due to the top not adjusting plans when necessary. I make adjustments to bonds all the time. The Federal Reserve is raising the Federal Funds Rate. I need more Short term/Limited term Municipal bonds in this environment. Our interests rates, inflation, and taxes are too high. This calls for many conservative investment strategies going forward. No, I will never bother the Coach. It's neither here nor there that I'm a contributing Alum. It's his job to fix this mess.

[Panther'73]

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P100 - maybe Koch has a health issue that contributes to him getting winded? Don't assume he is out of shape and constantly criticize him...

[BCPanther]

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Wyatt will never ever have toe explosiveness of Wes or what kwadzo had. That is what this team needs, that and a big man that is the real deal.

So often people here argue over a pair of sunglasses but forget the spaceship everybody is on is crashing into the sun.

The team is missing parts, more practice or switching positions is t going to solve that.

Go get some players. Basketball is a talent game above anything else.

Ask yourself. Which players on this team have carried Uni to wins? Those are the types of guys you need. Wes has, Tuttle sure as heck did, jespersen has. Bohannan has but that was facilitated by other people drawing attention away from him, because he lacks the ability to create his own shot.

Roll players are fine but are worthless without difference makers.

You say it like it's easy too find these guys. Here's a list of guys in the Valley that can consistently get to the rack.

WSU- VanVleet, Baker, and McDuffie will eventually get there, he can't right now.

SIU- Beane and most of that takes ball screen action

ISU- Brenton Scott and again takes ball screen action

Evansville- Balentine and Jaylon Brown, but the offense really doesn't allow it

Illinois State- Has several guys, but let me know how a team full of athletes without much basketball iq and no structure is working out

Loyola- Doyle, but he's better shooting the step back

Drake- nobody

Bradley- nobody

Missouri State- Kreklow when he's not injured

UNI- Washpun, Morgan, Lohaus to an extent as he can get himself open for a mid-range jumper

This player that you think seems to be out there in huge quantities it's either playing in a Power 5 league or has other issues preventing him from playing DI basketball.

[run&blade]

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That's why it is a one bid league. This coaching staff is pAid to be a lot better than mvc average.

Go get players.

Drake and Bradley can't get anybody do why expect uni. Loser mentality.

[BCPanther]

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McCloud can certainly get his own. Brown certainly has the athleticism.

We've been really successful for 14 years now, you don't change your entire philosophy because you hit a rough patch.

[UNIdad]

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Have you watched Wyatt play?

He's able to create space off the dribble and has a fantastic mid-range pull up game. He's just being forced to play out of position a lot this year.

I start to agree with some of your points, and then you pull crap like this that to casts doubt on whether you actually watch this team or you're so jaded that you can't really see what's going on on the floor.

Good reply about Wyatt. I was also emphasize his uncanny ability (seen more last year) to know the spacing on the court and make the perfect play. Just amazing for a freshman.

[Panther100]

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P100 - maybe Koch has a health issue that contributes to him getting winded? Don't assume he is out of shape and constantly criticize him...

Actually, none of the players are at fault. If you read my posts that has been stated. I like Koch and have heard he is an even better person off the court. If he has a medical problem doctors and cardiologists need to treat it. Don't assume I'm coming down on Bennett Koch.

[BBALL_NATION]

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Tourney talk!??!?!?! Only 5 games into the Valley season with a losing record.

Unfortunately the talent pool is set for this year. I would feel bad telling someone their scholarship/position is up but thankfully that's not my job.

Next year looks like the abyss unless something changes. ... I'm surprised I'm even saying this but thank goodness Loyola is next...

We aren't yanking anybody's ride and nor should we.

'Sorry you tore your ACL, Robbie, and by the way tuition is on you from here on out. Please keep it super secret so that we can still recruit, Thanks! Oh and if you could leave those shoes...'

Get real.

Unthinkably even Loyola is too much for this team! ...tell me you don't want to trade a few. Did you see anyone on the bench that is going to be a difference maker?!?!?!?! I don't.

Remember its a two way street. Recall Nic Moore, Rayvonte Rice..oh and Dougie McBuckets Its ok for stud players to go somewhere else but if D1 is too much for a player you should be a charity for for 4 years?

Its about winning!!!! You don't show up because they lose!!! You don't donate if they are going to waste it on students that don't have athletic ability. Coaches get fired for not putting talent on the floor.

Go ahead get those participation trophies ready because thats all this team is getting the next few years if things don't change. F*&%!!!!

ok.... Thank goodness Wichita is next I think we got a shot to turn it around.