Big Lineup

[Zakelsta]

I would love for us to try using a 'big' lineup at times. Obviously, we rely on the 'small' lineup (with Klint at the 5) a lot, especially at the end of games. But I feel like our 'big' lineup would make a lot of unguardable mismatches.

Big lineup:
C: Dahl, Friedman
PF: Koch, Friedman
SF: Klint, Brown
SG: Morgan, Ashton
PG: McCloud, Haldeman, Rhodes

I don't know that any valley teams could stop both Dahl and Koch on the court at the same time. I also see Klint being able to post up the 3's that attempt to guard him.

I wouldn't use it a lot, but when we get into that funk where we can't score for 5 or 6 minutes. Putting this lineup in, and FORCING it down low with Dahl or Koch against a much smaller guy could help us score a few points and get things going.

[Pantherlope2019]

Re: Big Lineup

I would love for us to try using a 'big' lineup at times. Obviously, we rely on the 'small' lineup (with Klint at the 5) a lot, especially at the end of games. But I feel like our 'big' lineup would make a lot of unguardable mismatches.

Big lineup:
C: Dahl, Friedman
PF: Koch, Friedman
SF: Klint, Brown
SG: Morgan, Ashton
PG: McCloud, Haldeman, Rhodes

I don't know that any valley teams could stop both Dahl and Koch on the court at the same time. I also see Klint being able to post up the 3's that attempt to guard him.

I wouldn't use it a lot, but when we get into that funk where we can't score for 5 or 6 minutes. Putting this lineup in, and FORCING it down low with Dahl or Koch against a much smaller guy could help us score a few points and get things going.

I also wouldn't use it much if at all, however, I'm all for getting more rebounds. The quicker lineup with 4 guards and 1 big is more in line with the speed of the game, today. W. Lohaus, is one of our best players, he can make threes from either 1-2 spot. I know it's hard to judge if his ankle will hold up, though.

[Zakelsta]

Re: Big Lineup

I also wouldn't use it much if at all, however, I'm all for getting more rebounds. The quicker lineup with 4 guards and 1 big is more in line with the speed of the game, today. W. Lohaus, is one of our best players, he can make threes from either 1-2 spot. I know it's hard to judge if his ankle will hold up, though.

While you're correct about the quicker lineups in the evolving college game, usually that 1 big is a true big. Carlson is not that. He's borderline a swing 4. I even think most programs would use him as a 3. He played PG up until his JR year of high school.

[Pantherlope2019]

Re: Big Lineup

While you're correct about the quicker lineups in the evolving college game, usually that 1 big is a true big. Carlson is not that. He's borderline a swing 4. I even think most programs would use him as a 3. He played PG up until his JR year of high school.

Correct, but Carlson is our best that plays the 4-5 positions. I also want more time for McDonell, he is a good shooter, although he needs a little more muscle. He's listed at 218 lbs., which is pretty generous. I'd like to see him up to about 227-233 lbs. I think Koch is slowly starting to improve. We need to play 2-3/ box and 1 zone when he gets into foul trouble, though. The guards would need to help him in the lane when we are in man to man. Of course, this would leave us vulnerable past the arc. We have to make some hard decisions.

[PantherAlum 2008]

Re: Big Lineup

Correct, but Carlson is our best that plays the 4-5 positions. I also want more time for McDonell, he is a good shooter, although he needs a little more muscle. He's listed at 218 lbs., which is pretty generous. I'd like to see him up to about 227-233 lbs. I think Koch is slowly starting to improve. We need to play 2-3/ box and 1 zone when he gets into foul trouble, though. The guards would need to help him in the lane when we are in man to man. Of course, this would leave us vulnerable past the arc. We have to make some hard decisions.

I can't really speak to McDonnell's shooting ability as I haven't really seen him play, but I am just curious why Jake doesn't play him more if he is a good shooter, especially given our offensive issues. He must not be any good on D.

['70 Grad]

Re: Big Lineup

"I feel like our 'big' lineup would make a lot of unguardable mismatches."

"I also see Klint being able to post up the 3's that attempt to guard him."



Remember, then these same guys have to guard the other team down at the other end! Mismatches the other way.

[hoopfan]

Re: Big Lineup

I would love for us to try using a 'big' lineup at times. Obviously, we rely on the 'small' lineup (with Klint at the 5) a lot, especially at the end of games. But I feel like our 'big' lineup would make a lot of unguardable mismatches.

Big lineup:
C: Dahl, Friedman
PF: Koch, Friedman
SF: Klint, Brown
SG: Morgan, Ashton
PG: McCloud, Haldeman, Rhodes

I don't know that any valley teams could stop both Dahl and Koch on the court at the same time. I also see Klint being able to post up the 3's that attempt to guard him.

I wouldn't use it a lot, but when we get into that funk where we can't score for 5 or 6 minutes. Putting this lineup in, and FORCING it down low with Dahl or Koch against a much smaller guy could help us score a few points and get things going.

Where would Klint post up if Koch & Dahl are both already in the post? Klint may have a mismatch, but one of the other bigs could double since Koch and Dahl likely aren't threats to shoot from outside of 6 ft.

[Pantherlope2019]

Re: Big Lineup

Where would Klint post up if Koch & Dahl are both already in the post? Klint may have a mismatch, but one of the other bigs could double since Koch and Dahl likely aren't threats to shoot from outside of 6 ft.

Hence, Koch should be allowed to shoot from intermediate range. I'll give Coach Jake credit as well, he has shown signs of willingness to spread the floor so that the 1-3 guards would have more room to get to the rim.

[northwest iowa panther]

Re: Big Lineup

"I feel like our 'big' lineup would make a lot of unguardable mismatches."

"I also see Klint being able to post up the 3's that attempt to guard him."



Remember, then these same guys have to guard the other team down at the other end! Mismatches the other way.

Play 1-3-1 with Morgan at Point, the three bigs across the free throw line and McCloud with his speed covering the baseline. Jake has played a similar zone in the past. Good change up from the man to man.

[Leatherhelmet]

Re: Big Lineup

If you are testing a big lineup I wouldn't mind seeing Morgan at point with Haldeman at 2, Carlson at forward and Dahl and Koch together. Maybe that would take some of pressure off Koch to have a big man in the game with him.
Don't think it will happen but hey, we are still in the experimentation stage.