To Bison1999 & Other Bucknell Fans

[BCPanther]

GBison,
If a ref named Kip Kissinger shows up, find yourself a trusty flask and begin to self medicate before you lose your mind. Worst ref in America this side of Donnee Gray.

[JCPanthers]

GBison,
If a ref named Kip Kissinger shows up, find yourself a trusty flask and begin to self medicate before you lose your mind. Worst ref in America this side of Donnee Gray.

Actually, the worst ref in the Valley has to be Sid Rodeheffer. This guy is absolutely clueless. We have been very fortunate to not have had Sid work any of our home games, but he was one of the officials working the Indiana State game in Terre Haute.

[Pantherwoman]

Refs reminded me of the ones we had in New Hampshire for football. Why in the world, in a Bracket Buster game, wouldn't we have Big Ten or Big Twelve officials. Where is Tim Higgins when we needed him...oh, I just saw him doing the IL/Indie game.

[panther2317]

What about when Mac wanted the ref to check and see if a Bucknell player's foot was on the 3-point line. (it CLEARLY WAS by the way!) and then he went to the monitor (after talking to both officials about it) and then looked for about .8 seconds and didn't change anything...and then docked UNI a 30 second TO? What's that all about? This isn't the NFL...a coach can't ask to look anymore? If there's a question...and they have a monitor...CHECK IT people!

[JCPanthers]

What about when Mac wanted the ref to check and see if a Bucknell player's foot was on the 3-point line. (it CLEARLY WAS by the way!) and then he went to the monitor (after talking to both officials about it) and then looked for about .8 seconds and didn't change anything...and then docked UNI a 30 second TO? What's that all about? This isn't the NFL...a coach can't ask to look anymore? If there's a question...and they have a monitor...CHECK IT people!

Actually, the replay showed his foot well behind the 3 point line. Mac likes to do that every once in awhile to get his team a quick rest. Didn't know you could be assessed a timeout for it. What's next...throwing red flags on the court when you want to dispute a call?

[panther2317]

Did they use the camera with the panoramic view? Because that's where I was sitting...and his foot was on the line. Come on JC...I was farther away and feeding my daughter at the time...I clearly had a better view than the referee's and the monitor

[ceaser150]

What about when Mac wanted the ref to check and see if a Bucknell player's foot was on the 3-point line. (it CLEARLY WAS by the way!) and then he went to the monitor (after talking to both officials about it) and then looked for about .8 seconds and didn't change anything...and then docked UNI a 30 second TO? What's that all about? This isn't the NFL...a coach can't ask to look anymore? If there's a question...and they have a monitor...CHECK IT people!

We didn't understand that either. My friend was with me at the game, who has coached on the college level, and he couldn't figure out any situation where they can take away a time out, unless you call one. Anyone know how they were able to do that?

[ColoradoPanther]

We didn't understand that either. My friend was with me at the game, who has coached on the college level, and he couldn't figure out any situation where they can take away a time out, unless you call one. Anyone know how they were able to do that?

ESPN announcers said that Mac challenged the refs and said "if I'm wrong you can take one of my timeouts!" Crazy decision by the refs to allow this. Bucknell coach should have thrown a fit to allow this sort of in-game decision, regardless of the outcome.

Of course, my version above is dependent on the ESPN announcers having their story correct, which you never know .....

[merkpanthers]

I'm not sure about this, but from what my dad told me when he was watching the game on ESPN was that the refs told Mac that if he was wrong about that shot then UNI would be charged a timeout. We all know that Mac likes to do this so it doesn't surprise me that the Patriot League refs would try to exploit this and get UNI rattled. I had no idea what was going on when I was standing in the student section. It seemed like if any team should have been charged with a timeout it was Bucknell because it happened at their end of the court. Once again I'm not sure if this is right, but it's what I've heard.

[pantherfan4ever]

Actually, the replay showed his foot well behind the 3 point line. Mac likes to do that every once in awhile to get his team a quick rest. Didn't know you could be assessed a timeout for it. What's next...throwing red flags on the court when you want to dispute a call?

actually they talked about it during the game and said that the refs made a deal with mac, since they knew it was cleary a three-pointer, that if mac was wrong then they would dock him the timeout and mac agreed.

but yes, mac is known for doing little things like that in order to give our guys a little rest

[pantherfan4ever]

We all know that Mac likes to do this so it doesn't surprise me that the Patriot League refs would try to exploit this and get UNI rattled.

as much as we would all like to think that the refs were on Bucknells side (since they were Patriot League refs), it just wasnt the case. They were bad the entire game for both teams.. I dont know how they handle those types of things in the PL but I did not think it was a bad way to handle it at all. I admit it was a little different than we are used to, but i dont believe for a second that they made that deal with Mac to "exploit [Mac] and get UNI rattled.

[ColoradoPanther]

as much as we would all like to think that the refs were on Bucknells side (since they were Patriot League refs), it just wasnt the case. They were bad the entire game for both teams.. I dont know how they handle those types of things in the PL but I did not think it was a bad way to handle it at all. I admit it was a little different than we are used to, but i dont believe for a second that they made that deal with Mac to "exploit [Mac] and get UNI rattled.

I agree that there was not purposeful bias. And it was quite clear that Coleman got at least two travel freebies, among other misses. Even on the Bucknell board they were trying to figure out who the refs were. They don't have dedicated PL refs, but simply refs who are "on call" for games in the region (sounds a little like high school if I remember correctly). Those refs are less "PL League" than just refs from the east region who may or may not do some PL games. As far as a grand conspiracy, not likely. Just another example that refs are human and your team needs to be good enough to win beyond the reffing.

[JCPanthers]

Where is the Bison board?

[ColoradoPanther]

http://boards.basketball-u.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=bucknell&page=0

[Bison137]

Remember, these were PL officals, and like you'd imagine, officals aim to move up from low-major to mid-major to high-major leagues. These guys would probably be hoping to become MVC officals at some point in the future.

We are somewhat lucky, in that we have some officals in the MVC who also do 'high-major' games. A PL type league isn't going to get that type of offical.

I'm not saying this game was beyond them, but they don't see this level of basketball often (as witnessed by Bucknell's skate through their conference.)

I've noticed in several posts that there are references to "Patriot League" referees. Just to clarify this, there is no such thing. The PL does not have its own crews. There are a number of refs who officiate games in many of the Northeastern leagues (America East, A-10, Ivy, Patriot, MAAC, Northeast, etc). They weren't very good but, for every pro-Bucknell call there was a pro-UNI call as well, as some here have pointed out.