Stout-Valley P.O.Y

[N_8]

Does anybody think he still has a shot. Nobody from the top teams stands out in multiple statisical categories like Grant. He is up there in pts/game, rebs/game, and blks/game. He almost averaged a double-double in conference play 13 pts/gm and 9.5 rebs/gm. I say if UNI wins the tourney and Stout has a good tourney(2 or 3 double-doubles) then he wins the trophy. What are your thoughts??

[ejacobson]

Ben is still the most consistent player on UNI. Out and out. I love Grant and he has done amazing things but the one guy from UNI who has put up the numbers everynight, everygame, all year long, is Ben.

But right now both Grant and Ben are behind Moss I think.

With Moss ISU is a good team (something like 13-4?) without him they are 0-8? this says to me that if the POY is the person who means the most to his team than Moss is that guy. Also have to look out for O'Bryant, he put on a clinic against Grant and Coleman, two of the best post players in the league and two of the best defenders. And O'Bryant also brought his team out of the dark into a winning streak.

So I guess if its a guy from UNI it would be Ben, but I have a feeling its going to be Moss or O'Bryant right now.

[jegbomb52]

Geeze, does someone need to eat their humble pie?
That is so ridiculous that you just maid that statement it is funny. If one of my family members made a statement like that when I was playing I would call them and yell for an hour.

Stop looking through Benny J. glasses. Stout has the stats needed, Benny doesn't. People will remember this about Benny this year, a big time player, always coming through with an average night in big time games.

[Hime_Peterson]

Ben has had a great career at UNI, but he did not have a Player of the Year caliber season. His senior year performance was not as good as his junior year for whatever reason.

I would think that Paul Miller of Wichita State, Marcellus Sommerville of Bradley, or Blake Ahearn of Missouri State will get more votes.

UNI's late-season conference swoon will hurt their players when it comes to postseason awards--it's always more about your team finishing up in the top 3 of the league.

[panther2317]

It's probably going to be Paul Miller. Who cares right now? Don't we need to focus on winning basketball games?

[Hime_Peterson]

This is a great year for the Valley--the best in the modern era, but it's certainly a year for great TEAMS and not necessarily great PLAYERS. When I think of POY candidates, there is not one who could sniff Kyle Korver's jockstrap.

[Lovie Smith]

Two weeks or so ago I thought Stout was going to play his way to POY. Now I hope he plays us into the tournament. Before the season I thought Benny would play his way into the league, but now I have the same hope for him as I do for Grant. I have read many reasons why Benny is not having the year we expected but the point remains. Since you guys can tell how well I do in the predicting buisness I will also go with Miller as POY.

[BCPanther]

Paul Miller

Best Player on the Best Team= POY

[Sex Panther...]

It won't be Jacobsen
It won't be Stout
It won't be the best player in the league
It will be the best player on the team that won the regular season conference title

We can debate all we want who the best player is, but the guy holding the award at the end of it all will be Paul Miller. He's also a senior, I'll be shocked if he doesn't win it. That's just how these things work.

[ejacobson]

You want objective here it is:

Ben leads UNI in these catagories of stats:

Scoring (total points/ppg), assists, Free Throws made and attempted, 3pts Made and attempted, Field goal attempts, Minutes played, turnovers

He is 2nd in FG made (144 vs Coleman 145).

Grant leads in all catagories of rebounds, blocked shots, and fouls.

Ben FT% is 77, Grant is 75.2, so pretty much a draw there. So if your a stats guy, I guess thats my case.

http://unipanthers.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/teamcume.html

If your a "intangibles" person then Ben has been the leader this year, playing point guard and SG most games, when Crawford went down Ben drew the duty of guarding the other teams "scorers" along with JLitt (SIU game, Tony Young, held to 2 baskets, he is the #2 scorer in the conference for example). He gets the majority of his shots by plays he creates and on last second playes, not plays drawn-up for him.

Grant has made strides this year that I didnt expect from him until next year and he has gone beyond that even. But Grant has had 7 big games. Teams now know you pack the middle and double Ben and we are stopped. But I guess like 2317 said it doesnt matter.

It will be Ahearn, Moss, OBryant, or Miller.

Yes Ben is my brother, but these are things that people who are not related to him have pointed out all year, such as the Dist 12 Coaches association, but I guess they must all be our relatives too, because Ben is not scoring 18ppg he must be down this year. Sorry if that is "homer" or whatever, but ya know what, its his last run, I know he wants it, I want it for him, and objectively and subjectively I cannot think of a person from UNI that would get more votes.

Jeg Im sorry you dont like players families making cases for them, but thats what fan sites are for, FANS. I am a UNI fan, and Ben Jacobson fan, sorry if that makes me a "Dual Fan" or something.

I love Grant, he is a great kid, and has become one hell of a player and will do some Serious damage to the Valley next year. I hope that if Ben doesnt get the POY this year that Grant would, and that if neither does this year, I hope Grant can get it next year.

So hate my comments if you like, but really they make sense.

[Lovie Smith]

Ejacobson, is this the kind of season you expected from Benny? I kind of liken him this year to Ben Gordon. His numbers may be good but last season the big shots were going in and this year they are not. We are all Benny fans on this site and I have no problem with family and friends posting but I do think alot of people bite thier tongue when family is involved. BTW I hope Benny makes the NBA and is the next MJ, so does that make me some kind of "Dual fan"?? j/k

[Hime_Peterson]

Marcellus Sommerville is the best player in the MVC, IMO.

O'Bryant and Sommerville are the only two who will get a sniff of the NBA.

There is no Kyle Korver out there this year--there isn't even a Darren Brooks.

[Sex Panther...]

You want objective here it is:

Ben leads UNI in these catagories of stats:

Scoring (total points/ppg), assists, Free Throws made and attempted, 3pts Made and attempted, Field goal attempts, Minutes played, turnovers

He is 2nd in FG made (144 vs Coleman 145).

Grant leads in all catagories of rebounds, blocked shots, and fouls.

Ben FT% is 77, Grant is 75.2, so pretty much a draw there. So if your a stats guy, I guess thats my case.

http://unipanthers.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/teamcume.html

If your a "intangibles" person then Ben has been the leader this year, playing point guard and SG most games, when Crawford went down Ben drew the duty of guarding the other teams "scorers" along with JLitt (SIU game, Tony Young, held to 2 baskets, he is the #2 scorer in the conference for example). He gets the majority of his shots by plays he creates and on last second playes, not plays drawn-up for him.

Grant has made strides this year that I didnt expect from him until next year and he has gone beyond that even. But Grant has had 7 big games. Teams now know you pack the middle and double Ben and we are stopped. But I guess like 2317 said it doesnt matter.

It will be Ahearn, Moss, OBryant, or Miller.

Yes Ben is my brother, but these are things that people who are not related to him have pointed out all year, such as the Dist 12 Coaches association, but I guess they must all be our relatives too, because Ben is not scoring 18ppg he must be down this year. Sorry if that is "homer" or whatever, but ya know what, its his last run, I know he wants it, I want it for him, and objectively and subjectively I cannot think of a person from UNI that would get more votes.

Jeg Im sorry you dont like players families making cases for them, but thats what fan sites are for, FANS. I am a UNI fan, and Ben Jacobson fan, sorry if that makes me a "Dual Fan" or something.

I love Grant, he is a great kid, and has become one hell of a player and will do some Serious damage to the Valley next year. I hope that if Ben doesnt get the POY this year that Grant would, and that if neither does this year, I hope Grant can get it next year.

So hate my comments if you like, but really they make sense.

Arguing over who is the better player is a moot point under the context of POY. You are also trying to compare apples to oranges when discussing Benny and Grant. I think everyone will agree they are both excellent players that we are lucky to have. ejac, no need to mask your love for your brother by saying you are merely a fan. He's your brother, your points are objective and valid, but the fact remains he's still your brother. Everybody who doesn't feel the need to try to get under your skin gets that. It could be worse, you could suffer from babysitting Brooks as a kid, watching him score more points than anyone in Iowa high school history, see him develop into the great young man AND player that he is and try to defend his play on this board Obviously I am being melodramatic, but you get the point.... You can't convince everyone, even armed with facts and logic.

[Sex Panther...]

Marcellus Sommerville is the best player in the MVC, IMO.

O'Bryant and Sommerville are the only two who will get a sniff of the NBA.

There is no Kyle Korver out there this year--there isn't even a Darren Brooks.

He may have the best NBA measurables, but I don't think I'd want him on my team. He costs Bradley games because of his me first attitude. He has NBA size and talent, but I think it was Charlie Spoonhauer who made the comment during the UNI-Bradley game that "even Sommerville played defense on that last possession" and then went on to say words to the effect that it happens quite rarely. I agree. Sommerville won't make it as a pro IMHO. Physically he looks like an NBA player, he lacks everything else he'll need. When matched up against guys with equal size and more desire he won't cut it.

Bashing is fun...I should do it more often

[panther2317]

I think you're right to an extent Hime. He's the best talent. He's not the best player in my opinion...because that entails consistency...and he's not been consistently as good as he can be night after night. I think that will take the award out of his hands. But you're right...he and O'Bryant will have 'sniffs' at the NBA. But I think others will too.