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  • Bilas "Clarifies" - 3/03 article

    From 3/03 Jay Bilas Article




    Not madness, just mad
    Apparently, I have been labeled Public Enemy No. 1 in the Missouri Valley Conference because I have questioned the RPI numbers of the league. I have been told that some MVC folks are kind of mad about it. That's OK, as long as my opinions are clearly understood. Along with opinions come disagreement, and reasonable minds can disagree.

    To be clear, I think (and have said many times) the MVC is a terrific basketball league, and it has some truly outstanding teams that will win games in the NCAA Tournament. The MVC has some great coaches and some up-and-coming coaches who will be household names in a few years. I have said and written that the MVC will get as many as five teams into the NCAA Tournament this year, and there is a possibility that the league will field six NCAA Tournament teams, which is more than I have said about the Pac-10, the Big 12 or the ACC. If that is disrespect, I would be pleased if someone would disrespect me in the same fashion!

    What I have said that has gotten the collective undies of MVC supporters in a bunch is that the RPI numbers for the league and some of its teams seem a bit too high. Understand, I have been a vocal critic of the RPI for years. I think it can be a useful tool, but it is flawed. For example, when Tennessee was ranked third in the RPI, I said that I did not believe that the Vols were the third best team in America, even though the numbers said they were.



    The Valley has tons of excellent players, like UNI's Ben Jacobson. [photo removed]


    Similarly, when I see the résumés of MVC teams with a pile of RPI Top 25 and Top 50 wins, it is notable that the vast majority of those wins are home wins in conference play. (I have said the same thing about the Big Ten.) It's also notable that there is a flaw in the RPI formula that means a home win and a road loss in a two-game series against a good team helps more than a road win and a home loss against that same good team.

    The MVC has done a marvelous job of scheduling, playing only teams that have solid records and schedules. Since 50 percent of the RPI formula is based upon your opponents' records, teams that play teams with good slates get a bump. That, coupled with the fact that the MVC (and Big Ten) have yielded few road wins, has brought a perfect storm in RPI points for the league and its teams.

    But you know what? That is the system we have, and the MVC has navigated that system very well and should be rewarded for it. MVC teams play good schedules and win against those schedules. The league has five or six teams that can beat most anybody in the country on a given night.

    That said, it is not a slam on the league, in my opinion, to say that the MVC is a mid-major league, or that it is not annually as powerful as the Big East, the Big Ten or the ACC. I believe that if you took the top five teams from the MVC and put them in the Big East, their numbers and records would not be as good. But they still would be the same good teams, and it wouldn't change the fact that the top teams in the MVC can beat most every team in the Big East on a given night.

    Is it disrespectful to suggest that UConn and Villanova would rip through the MVC with one or no losses? Is it disrespectful to suggest that Notre Dame might very well be an NCAA Tournament team if it played in the MVC? Clearly, the top teams in the MVC can beat Notre Dame, but I think that the Irish would be viewed differently if they played in the MVC. If you are looking at quality wins, though, Northern Iowa is the team that beat Iowa, LSU and Bucknell while Syracuse has not had as many big-time wins and lost to Bucknell.

    This year, Northern Iowa has the better résumé, and should get in before teams like Syracuse, Florida State, Colorado, Cal and some others. But is it wrong to suggest that, for the most part, Syracuse fields a better team year in and year out? Heck, the Orange have greater resources, a more powerful league with greater TV coverage, and they recruit better athletes and more of them. Northern Iowa has been better against its schedule this season than Syracuse has been against its. Does that mean that Syracuse cannot beat UNI? Of course not.

    If feeling disrespected motivates the teams and players, have at it. And if you want to be mad to fuel yourselves, don't read this part: I think the MVC is really good, and I think the league will do some damage in the NCAA Tournament.

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    Thanks for posting that.

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    • #3
      Maybe he reads panthernation.com too.
      "Lot of people talked about Ohio State or Georgetown or Michigan State or whoever, [or] Maryland in our bracket. When the brackets came out, the first team I looked at was Northern Iowa," Kansas Coach Bill Self.

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      • #4
        Kyle Whelliston's 3/3 chat (relevant MVC comments)

        Sean (Omaha, NE): Kyle, there are rumors floating around here that Dana Altman might be jumping west on I-80 Creighton to Lincoln? Think there might be any truth to that?!?!?!?!

        Kyle Whelliston: (1:21 PM ET ) That's probably the only other job he'd ever take. But he loves Creighton and that community so passionately, and I think he knows what a historic event it would be if he pulled a Pitino. Relatedly, my favorite story of the past week was seeing the UNI supporters pitching in to "raise" McDermott's salary. Pure ingenuity. This is the way it's got to be done at this level, I hope the other Valley booster clubs are listening.

        mike, chicago, il: Hey Kyle its me again, I'm sure you'll watching the Valley's Arch Madness today. What are your top matchups & who do you see coming out alive? I'm thinking MoState over Bradley, but they both go dancing.

        Kyle Whelliston: (1:25 PM ET ) Hi Mike, you know that I only answer your questions when they're good. Kidding, dude - you rock. Creighton-Bradley may be the best 4-5 game in years. I've liked Mo-State all year, and I think this is their chance to shine: with SIU and NIU slumping simultaneously, they might have the easiest road to the final. If Bradley wins today, I'll agree with you.

        Luke, Iowa City, IA: northern iowa in or out?

        Kyle Whelliston: (1:26 PM ET ) The Official Wife is a big fan of that "Project Runway" reality show, and that's Heidi Klum's ridiculous tag line vis a vis eliminating one fashion designer every week. So I'll answer this question in that context, especially since I got her a cool UNI sweatshirt when I was out there last month. The purple and yellow look is springy and vibrant, but that hollow-eyed cat logo that looks like it splatted into a window? So not making it work. UNI logo designer? You're out.


        Kyle (Normal, IL): Nice first name. Is there any remote possibility that the Missouri Valley could get 6 teams in? Any possibility at all?

        Kyle Whelliston: (1:38 PM ET ) Likewise, dude. I do think the possibility exists for a Six-Bid Valley, if most of the power-conference teams on the bubble lose the rest of their games, and a few of them realize that college basketball isn't very much fun anymore and suspend their programs. I've thought the X-Bid Valley talk was silly anyway; I'm more focused on getting two of these tough MVC teams into the Sweet 16, and one of those to the Elite Eight. Everyone mantra with me: "Two Sweet, One Elite."

        Mike Chicago: Hey Kyle...does Ben Jacobson have a shot at the NBA? He's got a an unreal shot. What do you think?

        Kyle Whelliston: (1:56 PM ET ) I think he'll definitely get some summer league action, and given the right situation, he might get a camp invite. But it'll probably come down to the choice between the D-League and Europe. He'll make good money should he choose the latter.


        Matt: Springfield, MO: The Missouri State Bears are 20-7, tied for second in the Valley, and have an RPI of 18. If the Bears lose to Northern Iowa, could the selection committee really leave them out of the NCAA tournament?

        Kyle Whelliston: (1:58 PM ET ) Yes. As (presumably) a Bears fan, I'm sure you know all about high RPI's, MVC tourney losses, and Tournament snubs.

        Also, said he thought the MVC had the hottest girls of any mid-major conference. Good to know.
        "Lot of people talked about Ohio State or Georgetown or Michigan State or whoever, [or] Maryland in our bracket. When the brackets came out, the first team I looked at was Northern Iowa," Kansas Coach Bill Self.

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        • #5
          We're not talking about year in and year out...we're talking about NOW. UNI is better than Syracuse, Colorado, FSU and others. They deserve a bid more NOW than those teams. History should play NO PART on Selection Sunday.
          "10% of life is what happens to you, 90% is how you react to what happens."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ColoradoPanther
            From 3/03 Jay Bilas Article




            Not madness, just mad
            Apparently, I have been labeled Public Enemy No. 1 in the Missouri Valley Conference because I have questioned the RPI numbers of the league. I have been told that some MVC folks are kind of mad about it. That's OK, as long as my opinions are clearly understood. Along with opinions come disagreement, and reasonable minds can disagree.

            Similarly, when I see the résumés of MVC teams with a pile of RPI Top 25 and Top 50 wins, it is notable that the vast majority of those wins are home wins in conference play. (I have said the same thing about the Big Ten.) It's also notable that there is a flaw in the RPI formula that means a home win and a road loss in a two-game series against a good team helps more than a road win and a home loss against that same good team.

            The MVC has done a marvelous job of scheduling, playing only teams that have solid records and schedules. Since 50 percent of the RPI formula is based upon your opponents' records, teams that play teams with good slates get a bump. That, coupled with the fact that the MVC (and Big Ten) have yielded few road wins, has brought a perfect storm in RPI points for the league and its teams.

            That said, it is not a slam on the league, in my opinion, to say that the MVC is a mid-major league, or that it is not annually as powerful as the Big East, the Big Ten or the ACC. I believe that if you took the top five teams from the MVC and put them in the Big East, their numbers and records would not be as good. But they still would be the same good teams, and it wouldn't change the fact that the top teams in the MVC can beat most every team in the Big East on a given night.

            Is it disrespectful to suggest that UConn and Villanova would rip through the MVC with one or no losses? Is it disrespectful to suggest that Notre Dame might very well be an NCAA Tournament team if it played in the MVC? Clearly, the top teams in the MVC can beat Notre Dame, but I think that the Irish would be viewed differently if they played in the MVC. If you are looking at quality wins, though, Northern Iowa is the team that beat Iowa, LSU and Bucknell while Syracuse has not had as many big-time wins and lost to Bucknell.
            Thanks for posting that.

            He always plays coy, trying to sound like he's not cutting down while still implying the exact same things. To answer a few of his points, yes, it is disrespectful to call the MVC mid-major when analysts never used that term w/leagues that historically the Valley resembles (ex. Conference USA in the past). It is also at least semi-disrespectful to suggest Notre Dame might be an NCAA team in the MVC. Other than UConn & Villanova, the rest of the Valley is a lot more equal to the rest of the Big East than he or anyone else wants to admit. For the life of me I can't see much difference between Marquette and Bradley or Wichita St. & Pittsburgh or Georgetown. G'town has a little more athleticism, but would they really want to grind it out in a MVC halfcourt brawl?

            It's also only his opinion that MVC teams have all been winning at home, or that it's a flaw to reward a road win and a home loss against the same team more than a home win and road loss. There have been quite a few cases of the top MVC teams winning on the others' homecourts (MSU, Creighton & Bradley at UNI, UNI at WSU, WSU at BU, SIU at Creighton all come to mind), and whether he likes it or not, road wins should be valued more than home losses when it comes to trying to separate good teams from the posers for at-large bids.

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