MSU vs. Wisconsin

[Panther Cat]

In the South Padre tournament MSU is up on Wisky at half 45-32. And that includes Wisconsin getting 4 pts in the last 9 seconds off of tournovers.

MSU has looked good and might possibly be the team to beat this year in the Valley.

[Blue42]

They may be the team to beat. I watched Southern Illinois play on TV yesterday. Man is that some f@#@@$ ugly basketball they play. I'm not saying it's not effective, but damn it's hard to watch.

[Panthers to the Bone]

Bears win by two points. Great win for the Valley!

[Panthers to the Bone]

And SIU is up 12 on Minnesota in the 2nd half (I believe)...that game is on ESPN2.

[AmesPanther]

Great win for MSU. The Valley is going to be tough this year...

[BCPanther]

2-0 vs. the BCS today- SIU blows out Minnesota!!

[JayJ79]

isn't referring to basketball teams as BCS the same thing as when people referred to MVC teams as being I-AA?

[BCPanther]

isn't referring to basketball teams as BCS the same thing as when people referred to MVC teams as being I-AA?

Very rarely am I speechless, Way to go Jay, I have no idea how to answer that!!

[joecooll6]

My only response to that would be that using the term BCS isnt a negative connotation, whereas I-AA is.

[JayJ79]

I know I have an annoying habit of playing devils advocate.

"BCS" is simply the easiest way to refer to that group of conferences who are traditionally powers in both I-A/BCS football and div. 1 basketball. And even though it isn't accurate to carry that designation over to bball, everyone still knows who you mean, and your connotation.

As much as we want to argue that we're all the same, the simple fact is that those programs have advantages: much bigger budgets, higher profile and media coverage (without having to constantly fight for recognition), and probably easier recruiting.

And that makes the success of the MVC and such programs more impressive, in my mind, because they're almost always facing an uphill battle in comparison. So their victories are much more sweet.

[TravelingPanther]

Too bad SIU couldn't beat Arkansas yesterday. Minnesota is a shell of a team.

[Hime_Peterson]

The Missouri Valley, as some predicted, looks as though it could be even better this year than it was last year.

Creighton is off to a slow start, but you know they'll be competing for the title if they stay healthy---Altman and their players are too good not to.

SIU is SIU. They should make it 6 straight tournaments.

Wichita will be a Tournament team.

Missouri State could be even better than last year.

UNI is off to a great start, and has the best big-man combo in the league.

Even Bradley, who was expected to fall way off, has looked impressive early on. Should be a fun winter of games.

[Newsbreaker]

isn't referring to basketball teams as BCS the same thing as when people referred to MVC teams as being I-AA?

What is your alternative?

Either you call them "BCS" (which is the commonly accepted and understood designation for those leagues) or you call them "Major" conferences.

If you call them "Major" then you're back handing the MVC with either "Mid-Major" or "Non-Major" as you're creating a "major" catagory of which we are not a part.

[JayJ79]

if BCS conferences aren't "major", then what is the point of bragging about success against them?

can't have it both ways.