We're Going Dancin'

[Khan4Cats]

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ALERT ALERT ALERT


THIS THREAD IS 2 YEARS OLD

THIS THREAD IS 2 YEARS OLD


Khan stated on several occassions that it was unrealistic for fans to expect any sort of post-season the last 2 years.

Turns out he expected it.

I am sorry for the confusion.

Again, Never once do I say it in the entire thread. You are really getting desperate to try and dig things up from 2 years ago to try and prove a point.

Missing the obvious sarcasm of the post just shows how little you have in the way of reading comprehension.

By the way, at what point do I say I "expected" anything? I said I think we can? Does that really equate to expecting something?


Keep trying though. It's getting comical how desperate you are to try and get one thing right.

[jman2004]

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Missing the obvious sarcasm of the post just shows how little you have in the way of reading comprehension.

Whoa whoa whoa. Hold up. Are you saying that two years ago, you were actually being 'sarcastic' about all this? Really?

Now that's comical . . . because I'm not buying it. I sense very little sarcasm in that original post from two years ago.

Here's the thing Khan, this is what I've been saying all along . . .

Who cares?! I surely don't. You, at the time, expected this team to make some sort of postseason tournament. That's fine. We all practically did, based on the three seasons prior. No one attacked you back then for those expectations. And there's nothing wrong with admitting it NOW.

These posts should be eye opening to you. No need to get defensive and irrational. They prove that once upon a time, you DID in fact have expectations for this team that were not simply "producing good student athletes" and "playing competitive conference ball". There's nothing wrong with that. That's all I'm trying to get at. There's nothing wrong with someone expecting something out of this basketball team that's different from your expectations.

We all have different expectations. After reading these posts from a few seasons ago, you too should realize that. That's why I'm blown away that you want to continue attacking me and others for voicing our criticism.

Remember, we're all Panther fans. In the end, I'll be jumping for joy if we make some kind of postseason this year and if we don't, I'll say "there's always next year".

Jacobson or not.

[Khan4Cats]

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Whoa whoa whoa. Hold up. Are you saying that two years ago, you were actually being 'sarcastic' about all this? Really?

Now that's comical . . . because I'm not buying it. I sense very little sarcasm in that original post from two years ago.

Here's the thing Khan, this is what I've been saying all along . . .

Who cares?! I surely don't. You, at the time, expected this team to make some sort of postseason tournament. That's fine. We all practically did, based on the three seasons prior. No one attacked you back then for those expectations. And there's nothing wrong with admitting it NOW.

These posts should be eye opening to you. No need to get defensive and irrational. They prove that once upon a time, you DID in fact have expectations for this team that were not simply "producing good student athletes" and "playing competitive conference ball". There's nothing wrong with that. That's all I'm trying to get at. There's nothing wrong with someone expecting something out of this basketball team that's different from your expectations.

We all have different expectations. After reading these posts from a few seasons ago, you too should realize that. That's why I'm blown away that you want to continue attacking me and others for voicing our criticism.

Remember, we're all Panther fans. In the end, I'll be jumping for joy if we make some kind of postseason this year and if we don't, I'll say "there's always next year".

Jacobson or not.

Point out where I said "I expected" anything.

As for sarcasm, let me walk this through for you :

Note that I start by commenting on the fact that we were losing to teams lower than us and beating the teams above us.

See, that is a sarcastic comment right there, but I go further.

I point out that we will end up as a seed where we will always end up playing a team that finished above us.

Now follow me here, because this is where logic comes in, I use the standard IF A=B and B=C THEN A=C argument.

This is how it works: If we can only beat teams that are higher than us AND we only play teams higher than us THEN we will win the MVC tourney and go dancing.

Since it was following a sarcastic statement, it takes the same sarcastic tone of the previous statement.

I then conclude by noting, again NOT "expecting" or "guaranteeing" anything, what would like NEED to be done to be in a position for post-season. It is no different than saying we need to finish in the top 2 in regular season play this year or we need to win 20 games or anything else like that.

But you probably didn't read any of this.

As for your jumping for joy, I'm sure the negativity you bring to these discussions has no bearing what-so-ever on your enthusiasm going to games. I'm sure you never have a "here we go again" attitude that spills out on fans around you.

As for me. I'll be jumping up when the team takes the floor in warm-ups. I'll be jumping up when they head to locker room. I'll be cheering for them in good times AND bad times, not just when they make post-season.

[jman2004]

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Note that I start by commenting on the fact that we were losing to teams lower than us and beating the teams above us.

I actually had to laugh at this because I think YOU need the lesson in sarcasm.

There was nothing "sarcastic" about what you said. There is something "ironic" about how we lost to bad teams but beat good teams. But you stating that fact, is not "sarcastic".

There's a difference between "sarcasm" and "irony". But I won't belittle you by going into a long rant about the differences . . .

And if you really need to explain in this great length, how you intended on being sarcastic in your post . . . I don't know what to think.

As for your jumping for joy, I'm sure the negativity you bring to these discussions has no bearing what-so-ever on your enthusiasm going to games. I'm sure you never have a "here we go again" attitude that spills out on fans around you.

As for me. I'll be jumping up when the team takes the floor in warm-ups. I'll be jumping up when they head to locker room. I'll be cheering for them in good times AND bad times, not just when they make post-season.

And here you go again, reminding me how poor and fickle of a fan I am while rubbing it in my face how awesome you are for following us through thick and thin without "expecting" a thing.

I actually tried reasoning with you, but I guess that cannot be accomplished.

[Khan4Cats]

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I actually had to laugh at this because I think YOU need the lesson in sarcasm.

There was nothing "sarcastic" about what you said. There is something "ironic" about how we lost to bad teams but beat good teams. But you stating that fact, is not "sarcastic".

There's a difference between "sarcasm" and "irony". But I won't belittle you by going into a long rant about the differences . . .

And if you really need to explain in this great length, how you intended on being sarcastic in your post . . . I don't know what to think.



And here you go again, reminding me how poor and fickle of a fan I am while rubbing it in my face how awesome you are for following us through thick and thin without "expecting" a thing.

I actually tried reasoning with you, but I guess that cannot be accomplished.

Nice way to twist things. Just keep saying "I don't get it, I don't get" until I have to spell it out for you and then claim that it really wasn't if I have to explain it out. Okay, I fell for that.

Doesn't change what it was, nor does it change the fact that it was brought up as somehow "proving" that I set an expectation that never was there to begin with.

If anything, it was setting an optimistic scenario for the Panthers. So I guess I will have to plead guilty about wanting to be optimistic about UNI. It's a shame there aren't more "criminally optimistic" people out there.

By the way, there is not a lot of difference between irony and sarcasm. In fact, sarcasm is often referred to as "verbalized irony", or in this case, written. Irony is the observance (the first sentence could then be labeld as irony), sarcasm is the extension of that observation (the second part).

But it's probably pointless to point that out to you, since you are the one unwillling to follow reason.

[KansasCityPanther]

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I remember when this board used to be more than a place to argue with other fans. It actually was informative and a place for Panther fans to enjoy team sprit. Oh those were the day's!!!!!!

[Panthers to the Bone]

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It's that darn freedom of speech thing, KC!

If there is any type of moderation, this place becomes fascist and goes to pot.

[KansasCityPanther]

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Your right Mr. Moderator, I only long for the good old days.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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There have been some good days on here. You're right...there was a more informative tone in most people's posts. Typically more positive, but overall more informative. As the site has grown there are more rants, but it's all part of getting bigger I guess. There is alot more activity/communication, and I guess you have to take the good with the bad.

But, I guess I'll be called out for looking at something historically, rather than not pushing to become bigger, more expediate, and diverse.

[jman2004]

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No offense PTTB, but I really think some of you would love it if you were allowed to hand pick the fanbase of this University. Just a hundred or so of your best buddies.

Maybe you're more quiet than I am, maybe you complain less than I do, but I'm still a Panther fan and to me, that lingering attitude among some of the "originals" on here, is just as offensive and/or arrogant as myself and others arguing/discussing/debating with people is.

Just sayin' . . .

[KansasCityPanther]

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I do not have any issues with a person expressing their opinion. However, the last couple of years the opinions and disagreements have tended to be more personal and not related to the game itself. It seems to resemble ValleyTalk more than Panthernation.

In my opinion, it is far more enjoyable to be part of an enthusiastic fans base than one in which we can find little to cheer about. Far too often it seems like folks enjoy being disagreeable than supportive of the team.

Is it not the point of this board to be a forum for Panther fans across the nation to come together and build team sprit that hopefully translates into a positive sports atmosphere?

I think as fans we can do a better job of being fans and supporting the team. The arguing and complaining is drowning out any hint of enthusiasm.

[TravelingPanther]

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I do not have any issues with a person expressing their opinion. However, the last couple of years the opinions and disagreements have tended to be more personal and not related to the game itself. It seems to resemble ValleyTalk more than Panthernation.

In my opinion, it is far more enjoyable to be part of an enthusiastic fans base than one in which we can find little to cheer about. Far too often it seems like folks enjoy being disagreeable than supportive of the team.

Is it not the point of this board to be a forum for Panther fans across the nation to come together and build team sprit that hopefully translates into a positive sports atmosphere?

I think as fans we can do a better job of being fans and supporting the team. The arguing and complaining is drowning out any hint of enthusiasm.

Agree 100%.

[jman2004]

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I do not have any issues with a person expressing their opinion. However, the last couple of years the opinions and disagreements have tended to be more personal and not related to the game itself. It seems to resemble ValleyTalk more than Panthernation.

In my opinion, it is far more enjoyable to be part of an enthusiastic fans base than one in which we can find little to cheer about. Far too often it seems like folks enjoy being disagreeable than supportive of the team.

Is it not the point of this board to be a forum for Panther fans across the nation to come together and build team sprit that hopefully translates into a positive sports atmosphere?

I think as fans we can do a better job of being fans and supporting the team. The arguing and complaining is drowning out any hint of enthusiasm.

With all due respect, I actually disagree with this for the simple reason that the majority of arguing on this board, does actually derive from comments and criticism. Most of it actually comes when people are railed for voicing their negative opinions or concerns, especially about the basketball team.

I understand what you're saying, and I probably add to what you dislike, but at the same time, it's a two way street. Behavior like what you're complaining about goes both ways. What I've noticed is that when people on here do have an opinion or comment to make that's not all sunshine and rainbows, they're backed into a corner and their fandom is questioned. So when you say that you don't have a problem with people expressing their opinion, I say that not everyone on here is like that. Some people definitely have a problem with unpopular opinions being expressed.

And in closing, remember that the last few years, when maybe you've noticed this attitude and behavior escalate in the basketball threads, we've taken steps backwards from where this program was when McDermott left. Sure, Jacobson has brought in some talent and sure, some people are optimistic but the fact remains, that things aren't as good as they were those three seasons we went to the NCAA tournament. Maybe we were spoiled, but I think that this behavior appearing more frequently over the last few years is actually pretty telling, that there are A LOT of Panther fans not pleased with where the basketball team is at right now. Fans are restless and it shows on here.

You can be optimistic, that's your right. You can hope for a return to the "good ole days" on this board, that too is your right. But the reality is, Jacobson has a lot to prove and hasn't yet proven it to a large part of this fanbase. I think that's what you're seeing on this board, especially over the last few years.

[KansasCityPanther]

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jman, point well taken. That's all I got to say about that.