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If what you are saying is true...then the same amount of fouls would be called in every game and both teams would get the same amount of free throw attempts...right?

That doesn't logically follow from what I'm saying at all.

Also, if you weren't trying to "win" this conversation, then why do you keep trying to prove me wrong?

...because it's enjoyable to debate. I don't think that's outrageous. I'm not trying to "prove" anything, no evidence has been offered by anyone. I am disagreeing with you.

If that's not true, why do we have instant replay in football? Why can they go to the monitor to check calls in basketball?

Good points. Football is a different game, it's nearly impossible for a six man crew to see everything they need to see on a football field. Replay is allowed in certain instances, to assist them.

Notice in basketball it's only allowed in certain instances, and they are both few and far between. Why is that?

The "consistency" I'm talking about was detailed above. If a team "we" don't like cries about an official's call, we have all sorts of names for them. When it happens to us...

[jman2004]

I feel like I'm watching the movie "Thank You For Smoking", where the main character teaches his son how to never lose an argument.

News, you have an interesting way of getting further and further off topic and adding more and more words to the discussion that just cloud what's really at the heart of this argument. You're being kind of stubborn.

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News, you have an interesting way of getting further and further off topic and adding more and more words to the discussion that just cloud what's really at the heart of this argument. You're being kind of stubborn.

No, I'm really not. Things aren't as simple as you'd like them to be, apparently. We could take a simpleton's view of things, and only examine the few items that help make our case, but we'd just end up a simpleton, wouldn't we?

[jman2004]

Hypothetical for you News.

What do you think would've happened if that call wasn't made? You've already said it "shouldn't" have been made. So what do you think would've happened if it wouldn't have been?

(And please don't reply with "my opinion doesn't mean anything" or something like it, because I can see it coming already). I'm just curious.

[jman2004]

In this case, I think things are very simple. The refs blew a call that shouldn't have been made. Simple. A call that would've tied the game with under one minute left. Simple.

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Hypothetical for you News.

What do you think would've happened if that call wasn't made? You've already said it "shouldn't" have been made. So what do you think would've happened if it wouldn't have been?

(And please don't reply with "my opinion doesn't mean anything" or something like it, because I can see it coming already). I'm just curious.

What would've happened? Most likely Brooks either makes an easy layup, or is fouled in the act and shoots to tie. The whole situation, and therefore the decisions of both players and coaches changes in that case, and the game is decided with a different set of circumstances (though not neccesarily a different outcome.)

As far as things being "simple"...well, they just aren't. There are always larger issues at play, and things which should be pointed out and understood. Everything that has been discussed in this thread has been germane to the subject at hand...officiating, calls, and how they relate to a contested game.

[jman2004]

I just read in the other thread that you agreed to the terms and verbage that 2317 laid out, so I'll let it rest at that as well.

(Just so you know, I do agree with you the majority of the time).