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  • #46
    Originally posted by unigriff View Post
    whoever thinks Jordan will start is strongly mistaken. Unless he loses some lbs, gets faster and works on his defense...he will not start. Coleman is a true Center and will break Stout and McKowens record next year Oh yea not ot mention 1900 pts
    Griff,
    I know you are on here alot and have some intelligent basketball thoughts on a relatively consistent basis, but I have sat here long enough and listened to you be the negative nelly when it comes to Jordan. I have had it with your constant, "Jordan needs to do this, he's too that." Pull your head out of your arse. Right now I'm sick of you and your posts. That's my opinion on that.

    Also, I like this lineup next year:

    1. Kwadzo
    2. Reed or Josten
    3. Koch
    4. Coleman
    5. Jordan
    BMPanther

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    • #47
      Originally posted by BMPanther View Post

      Also, I like this lineup next year:

      1. Kwadzo
      2. Reed or Josten
      3. Koch
      4. Coleman
      5. Jordan
      i just dont honestly see koch starting unless its at the 4. he didnt play the 3 all season and his ball handling was a little rough at times. maybe his junior year if he continues to improve his ball handling and outside shooting. hes very athletic though and hopefully next year his outside shot goes back to high school form for him. i think he can penetrate but with reeds athleticism and his upside i think he'll start at the 3 if he had a good redshirt year this year

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Brett Crawford View Post
        The more I think about, the more I think JJ might be a better served to come off the bench. He brings energy, and as many wise men have said "Its not who starts, its who finishes" We all know that he is fairly limited offensively and maybe if he were to come off the bench, his defensive intensity could be used to frustrate opponents who thought they knew what they were going to get that night. With that said, I would like to see...

        PG- Ahelegbe
        SG- Reed
        SF- Brown
        PF- Koch
        C- Coleman

        Bench-

        Josten
        Eglseder
        O'Rear
        Dunham
        Jones
        Viet
        I agree with this post....

        My only question is how good is Carlton Reed..? Jared Josten played well above what I think anyone expected, has alot of heart.

        But I do not think you can compete for a MVC Title without a "Funk Type" gaurd and Dominating Inside Play (Coleman & Egleder)

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        • #49
          I have to agree.
          the penetrating guard is needed badly. Brown,mckowen,Josten tried at times but not nearly enuf when our offensive sets appeared to start at the nba 3 pt line with no attacking..

          OHNEWBY..thats a great name..it has to refer to the 'shot' at the buzzer against Missouri '89-90 for the old schoolers out there...
          http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0320...nesh13_400.jpg

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          • #50
            1.Kwazdo
            2.Josten
            3.Brown or Dunham
            4.Coleman
            5.Egelseder
            "I can accept failure, but i can't accept not trying."-Micheal Jordan

            "We hate some persons because we don't know them , we don't know them because we hate them."
            -Charles Caleb Cotton

            "Champions aren't made in gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them-a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, but the will must be stronger than the skill."-Muhammed Ali

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            • #51
              Carlton Reed is a player. I just don't think that he ever really felt like he belonged at Iowa (not talent-wise). He didn't get off to a good start and it just snowballed from there.

              Reed is incredibly athletic, while at the same time being a solid outside shooter. He is going to bring something we didn't have this year, a guard that can get to the rim. He is going to have a huge impact.

              His high school team at Waterloo East had 3 DI players Carlton, Mike Henderson (Iowa) and Frashon McGhee (Cleveland State). Carlton was able to take his team back to the state title game the year after the other two had graduated. It was him that made the team go, not Henderson...

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              • #52
                I hope you are correct b crawford. Henderson has some real character flaws, i.e. shoplifting at corralville mall prior to his senior year season. Probably good Read did not "fit in with that crew" .

                Good players in both character and talent have always defined UNI and we want to keep it that way.

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                • #53
                  I seem to recall hearing something to the effect that Josten and Coleman were the only two starters locked in for next year at this point. Should make for some intense competition once our season is done for next year.

                  I like the 3 guard combo of Ahelegbe, Josten, and Reed to start. The first two give us ball handlers and defensive intensity at the start, Reed gives us an offensive threat. I think Brown could factor in as a starter if his defense improves. I like Viet, but I think the talent level of the Valley has risen since he was recruited and he is too one-dimensional, though a valuable zone-buster. Jones will continue to develop, but could he redshirt if we sign a good Juco PG? Dunham will get minutes at the 3 off the bench. Any idea on how Haak or Molstead may figure into plans? I know Josten was originally a 'preferred' walk-on that has become a solid player, could either of these two emerge?

                  Coleman is a definite at one post, he's shown the ability to guard the perimeter, which would allow for Jordan to possibly start and play low on defense and the high post on offense with his outside shooting ability. I think if Koch puts on the muscle like Stout did between Fr and So years, he is a more likely starter because he's a little more flexible on defense. I agree Barz is a likely RS, but O'Rear could push both Koch and Jordan if he picks up the system quickly enough.

                  I like: Ahelegbe, Josten, Reed, Koch, and Coleman

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Khan4Cats View Post
                    I seem to recall hearing something to the effect that Josten and Coleman were the only two starters locked in for next year at this point. Should make for some intense competition once our season is done for next year.

                    I like the 3 guard combo of Ahelegbe, Josten, and Reed to start. The first two give us ball handlers and defensive intensity at the start, Reed gives us an offensive threat. I think Brown could factor in as a starter if his defense improves. I like Viet, but I think the talent level of the Valley has risen since he was recruited and he is too one-dimensional, though a valuable zone-buster. Jones will continue to develop, but could he redshirt if we sign a good Juco PG? Dunham will get minutes at the 3 off the bench. Any idea on how Haak or Molstead may figure into plans? I know Josten was originally a 'preferred' walk-on that has become a solid player, could either of these two emerge?

                    Coleman is a definite at one post, he's shown the ability to guard the perimeter, which would allow for Jordan to possibly start and play low on defense and the high post on offense with his outside shooting ability. I think if Koch puts on the muscle like Stout did between Fr and So years, he is a more likely starter because he's a little more flexible on defense. I agree Barz is a likely RS, but O'Rear could push both Koch and Jordan if he picks up the system quickly enough.

                    I like: Ahelegbe, Josten, Reed, Koch, and Coleman
                    Well said. We've talked about areas for improvement on several players, but one that has been overlooked is Coleman. His defensive intensity needs to pick up. He can't allow himself to get frustrated and get out of the game mentally. We will need his contribution even more next year.
                    If computers ruled college basketball the way they do football, we'd have skipped all this March Madness monotony and just waited a month for the Kansas-Kentucky title game. And watched Northern Iowa play Cornell in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl. ~ Dwight Perry The Seattle Times

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Khan4Cats View Post
                      I seem to recall hearing something to the effect that Josten and Coleman were the only two starters locked in for next year at this point. Should make for some intense competition once our season is done for next year.

                      I like the 3 guard combo of Ahelegbe, Josten, and Reed to start. The first two give us ball handlers and defensive intensity at the start, Reed gives us an offensive threat. I think Brown could factor in as a starter if his defense improves. I like Viet, but I think the talent level of the Valley has risen since he was recruited and he is too one-dimensional, though a valuable zone-buster. Jones will continue to develop, but could he redshirt if we sign a good Juco PG? Dunham will get minutes at the 3 off the bench. Any idea on how Haak or Molstead may figure into plans? I know Josten was originally a 'preferred' walk-on that has become a solid player, could either of these two emerge?

                      Coleman is a definite at one post, he's shown the ability to guard the perimeter, which would allow for Jordan to possibly start and play low on defense and the high post on offense with his outside shooting ability. I think if Koch puts on the muscle like Stout did between Fr and So years, he is a more likely starter because he's a little more flexible on defense. I agree Barz is a likely RS, but O'Rear could push both Koch and Jordan if he picks up the system quickly enough.

                      I like: Ahelegbe, Josten, Reed, Koch, and Coleman
                      We think alike. I really like that lineup, and for the reasons you said. Its important that KA learns the offense quickly though. Arent they going on a trip this summer out of the country? If so, that could be very well timed (intentionally?) for the development of KA as our PG.
                      Sincerely,
                      The Future AD of the University of Northern Iowa

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by williebat View Post
                        I hope you are correct b crawford. Henderson has some real character flaws, i.e. shoplifting at corralville mall prior to his senior year season. Probably good Read did not "fit in with that crew" .

                        Good players in both character and talent have always defined UNI and we want to keep it that way.
                        I went to high school at the same time they did. They went to East and I went to West, but I got to know them fairly well in middle school. Carlton and Frashon (who went to West his first year) were totally different than Mike. Mike got in trouble before he even got to Iowa.

                        Carlton is a thousand times more mature and a much better leader...

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Khan4Cats View Post
                          I seem to recall hearing something to the effect that Josten and Coleman were the only two starters locked in for next year at this point. Should make for some intense competition once our season is done for next year.

                          I like the 3 guard combo of Ahelegbe, Josten, and Reed to start. The first two give us ball handlers and defensive intensity at the start, Reed gives us an offensive threat. I think Brown could factor in as a starter if his defense improves. I like Viet, but I think the talent level of the Valley has risen since he was recruited and he is too one-dimensional, though a valuable zone-buster. Jones will continue to develop, but could he redshirt if we sign a good Juco PG? Dunham will get minutes at the 3 off the bench. Any idea on how Haak or Molstead may figure into plans? I know Josten was originally a 'preferred' walk-on that has become a solid player, could either of these two emerge?

                          Coleman is a definite at one post, he's shown the ability to guard the perimeter, which would allow for Jordan to possibly start and play low on defense and the high post on offense with his outside shooting ability. I think if Koch puts on the muscle like Stout did between Fr and So years, he is a more likely starter because he's a little more flexible on defense. I agree Barz is a likely RS, but O'Rear could push both Koch and Jordan if he picks up the system quickly enough.

                          I like: Ahelegbe, Josten, Reed, Koch, and Coleman
                          I too would be interested to hear what others think about Haak developing into a role player for the panthers...I have heard some good things but as always, I am sure it isn't easy for a preferred walk-on to get some quality playing time!

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Brett Crawford View Post
                            The more I think about, the more I think JJ might be a better served to come off the bench. He brings energy, and as many wise men have said "Its not who starts, its who finishes" We all know that he is fairly limited offensively and maybe if he were to come off the bench, his defensive intensity could be used to frustrate opponents who thought they knew what they were going to get that night.
                            Let me get this straight... THIS is the guy you want to send to the bench??

                            Without Brooks and Stout, during the 06-07 campaign, Jared Josten had the following stats:

                            Started: All 31 games
                            Minutes: 1st
                            Pts: 3rd (w/ 242) behind Coleman (406) & T Brown (244)
                            Assts: 2nd to Coleman
                            Steals: 2nd to coleman
                            FG%: 2nd to Coleman in shooters with 60+ attempts
                            FT%: 1st - 86%
                            3 Pt%: 1st in % among shooters, 2nd to Viet in most makes 35 to 40

                            Let us not forget that Jared guarded the opponents best player every night and is also probably the fastest and quickest player on the roster. Not to mention that the white brotha can JUMP (but that's neither here nor there). HOW would you go about replacing him, and WHY would you WANT to?

                            Brett, please bring to the proverbial table one player or a combination of players on the roster (excluding Coleman for obvious reasons) who can replace Josten's proven offensive scoring ability, defensive prowess, and experience in the system. (please reference above statistics that positively disprove your opinion regarding Jared's 'fairly limited' offensive ability).

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                            • #59
                              I didn't say anything about a reduction in minutes. I just said off the bench. Even if you bring him in at the 17:00 minute mark to bring energy and a different defensive look for the other team.

                              I will agree his percentages look great. That's because he is an incredibly smart player that understands his role. He is somewhat effective offensively because he takes the right number of shots and doesn't force anyting. If your looking for someone that can take over a game and be an offensive force (like a Nate Funk or Eric Coleman) he is not your guy...

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Brett Crawford View Post
                                If your looking for someone that can take over a game and be an offensive force (like a Nate Funk or Eric Coleman) he is not your guy...

                                as much as i love EC, he's not in Funk's league yet.

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