No more general admission

[clenz]

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OK, I will sit this coming season and only stand on third down plays or big plays. I see the error of my standing ways.

MANY schools have almost there ENTIRE crowd standing during the entire game, minus TO's. But I guess UNI isn't and won't be one of them.

[Newsbreaker]

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OK, I will sit this coming season and only stand on third down plays or big plays. I see the error of my standing ways.

MANY schools have almost there ENTIRE crowd standing during the entire game, minus TO's. But I guess UNI isn't and won't be one of them.

Didn't most of us stop using the "but everyone else..." argument when we turned 12?

Standing doesn't make the atmosphere any better, and people sitting for much of the game doesn't make it "theater." Those are just silly arguments. Especially in our facility, if you really want to stand, go stand along the south deck. Nobody will complain or stop you. Having a little concern and thought for others is never going to do you wrong.

[TravelingPanther]

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Anyone who knows me knows I do care about others. But don't we have the right to stand, just as much as others have the right to sit?

This feels like a waste of time, and I hate arguing with other Panther fans.

[Newsbreaker]

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One person's rights end where another person's rights begin.

[TravelingPanther]

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so there is no answer?

[Newt99]

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Standing doesn't make the atmosphere any better

Obviously a large percentage of fans and posters here disagree. This whole thread was started because of my concern over the elimination of GA forcing me to have to sit in a section with fans who agree with your opinion.

Anyone who knows me knows I do care about others. But don't we have the right to stand, just as much as others have the right to sit?

This feels like a waste of time, and I hate arguing with other Panther fans.

My opinion exactly, and while I don't like arguing with fellow fans either, we shouldn't just sit back and let our gameday experience be dictated by others, or let them try to present their opinions as the rulebook on stadium etiquette.

One person's rights end where another person's rights begin.

This is the classic Chicken/Egg argument. Am I infringing your rights by standing, or are you infringing mine by demanding I sit?

When GA was available, this wasn't a problem, Rob and clenz and I and many others like us could stand without bothering those of you who don't want to. Now we don't have that option.

[TravelingPanther]

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Well spoken, Newt.

[Newsbreaker]

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Obviously a large percentage of fans and posters here disagree. This whole thread was started because of my concern over the elimination of GA forcing me to have to sit in a section with fans who agree with your opinion.

No, a few people on a lightly traveled message board are discussing it. We do not comprise a large segment of the fanbase, and we never will.

How do you want it? Either the whole west side are old geezers who all sit at all times and will shout down anyone who stands, or most people disagree and believe standing makes for a better atmosphere (leaving aside that you're confusing "better atmosphere" for "I like to stand myself)? Get back to us.

This is the classic Chicken/Egg argument. Am I infringing your rights by standing, or are you infringing mine by demanding I sit?

No, it's not. When I purchase a ticket to a game, I buy a "seat." I have purchased the right to see that game live, within some reason. By standing, leaving your seat, you take some of that right away. You don't have a right to stand at your seat, you have a right to enter the building and see the game. If you'd like to stand, a larger area is provided for everyone's convenience. Asking you to sit isn't infringing upon your "rights." It's asking you to correct your infringement (the first action - standing, the result - blocking another's view) of another's "right," not diminishing your own.

Example. If I came up to you at a game and threw a towel over your head, would I be infringing on your "right" or would you be infringing on my right to put my towel where I want it? I think the atmosphere is better when people are covered in towels, and I have a right to do so...right?

[Purple Reign]

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Donald Duck has very poor diction.

PR

[clenz]

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When GA was available, this wasn't a problem, Rob and clenz and I and many others like us could stand without bothering those of you who don't want to. Now we don't have that option.

I still have that option. I still have 2-4 more years of schooling at UNI left, pending if I do the whole grad school thing. However, the fact I have the option or "right" to stand the entire game and some people can only stand for certain times does upset me some.

[Newt99]

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Didn't most of us stop using the "but everyone else..." argument when we turned 12?

Standing doesn't make the atmosphere any better, and people sitting for much of the game doesn't make it "theater." Those are just silly arguments.

Example. If I came up to you at a game and threw a towel over your head, would I be infringing on your "right" or would you be infringing on my right to put my towel where I want it? I think the atmosphere is better when people are covered in towels, and I have a right to do so...right?

Good thing you never resort to "silly arguments." I refuse to give this ridiculous comparison any more acknowledgement than that.

[Newt99]

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No, a few people on a lightly traveled message board are discussing it. We do not comprise a large segment of the fanbase, and we never will.

How do you want it? Either the whole west side are old geezers who all sit at all times and will shout down anyone who stands, or most people disagree and believe standing makes for a better atmosphere (leaving aside that you're confusing "better atmosphere" for "I like to stand myself)? Get back to us.

No, it's not. When I purchase a ticket to a game, I buy a "seat." I have purchased the right to see that game live, within some reason. By standing, leaving your seat, you take some of that right away. You don't have a right to stand at your seat, you have a right to enter the building and see the game. If you'd like to stand, a larger area is provided for everyone's convenience. Asking you to sit isn't infringing upon your "rights." It's asking you to correct your infringement (the first action - standing, the result - blocking another's view) of another's "right," not diminishing your own.

Maybe only a few of us are discussing it here, but there are pretty clearly several thousand people at every game that disagree with your OPINION and prefer to stand, many of them are not students.

I have already apologized for my overgeneralization about the patrons of the west side stands, even though it was said tongue-in-cheek. I also said that it was the atmosphere that I personally preferred, but I guess you skipped that part. I obviously had you pigeon-holed on this one though, News, because I definitely wouldn't want to sit anywhere near you at the game. Hence the need for the GA option.

Your argument that we can go stand on the south deck is flawed too. It makes no more sense than if I said that if you want to sit undisturbed, you should go sit in the corners in sections K or S so that you don't infringe on my "right" to stand.

You are overgeneralizing on the license that your ticket purchase provides you. It gives you access to the game, it does reserve a certain spot for you as your designated area, but it does not provide any guarantee that you can sit in that spot unobstructed the entire game.

[FOTY]

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Maybe if you're watching college golf.

Some stadiums actually have policies to remove people who are trying to make other people sit.

I try to be courteous, but it is a college sporting event, not theatre.

My brother works security at ISU and said that anytime a person complains about an indifidual standing and not sitting down, they advise the complainer to find a new seat. He has even gone as far as showing them to a new seat. I hope UNI has the same policy.

[pantherwatcher]

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My brother works security at ISU and said that anytime a person complains about an indifidual standing and not sitting down, they advise the complainer to find a new seat. He has even gone as far as showing them to a new seat. I hope UNI has the same policy.

I don't. As a season ticket holder, I pay good money for my seats; and I will sit during breaks in the action, slowed down gameplay, etc. and no one is going to block my view of the game without being asked to take a seat. That is the advantage of sitting in the same seats near the same group of people for several seasons. There starts to be a mutual respect that the entire section has for one another. Standing the whole game does nothing but obstruct SOMEONE ELSE'S view and is unnecessary. Stand to cheer a nice play or catch a replay or see the end of a play; but don't stand just for standing's sake. And I don't want to hear anyone else say the "this is COLLEGE football" BS about standing the entire 3 hours; the student section is arranged for standing, the reserved seats are most certainly not.

[TravelingPanther]

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My brother works security at ISU and said that anytime a person complains about an indifidual standing and not sitting down, they advise the complainer to find a new seat. He has even gone as far as showing them to a new seat. I hope UNI has the same policy.

I know Montana does the same.