Embarrassment 2

[panthertrack]

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Nebraska is the biggest rivalry in the Big 12 for Iowa State.
Wisconsin is 3rd or 4th on the list for Iowa behind probably OSU, MEEECHIGAN, PSU, Minnesota.

You're just wrong.

Sure, Nebraska is the biggest game on ISU's schedule every year. A rivalry? LOL. Doesn't a rivalry have to be reciprocal? Nebraska views this as a cupcake game 90 percent of the time. Calling that a "rivalry" game is like calling every game that Texas/OU plays a "rivalry" game to the other team. There is no rivalry there on the Nebraska end. It's a routine ISU ass-kicking.

And you're absolutely wrong about Iowa's biggest rival being OSU, Michigan or Penn State. Are those huge games when they're on the schedule? Sure. However, Iowa's chief rivals (no pun intended) in the Big Ten are Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Minnesota not so much lately, but Illinois and Wisconsin are the real big games that are guaranteed every year. There is even a traveling trophy between Wisco and Iowa now.

[06panther10]

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I dont think one team winning most of the games makes a certain game not a rivalry. The ISU/Neb. game is a rivalry. Its to border state teams that have played every year for as long as anyone can remember. Rivalries are more about the fans anyway. Sure, Nebraska has won most of the games, but I'm pretty sure the Nebraska fans still enjoy beating ISU more than they do most teams.

Iowa beat ISU like 15 times in a row a while back. Was that not a rivarly? It still was a heated battle between the fans and players every year.

[jegbomb52]

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You're just wrong.

Sure, Nebraska is the biggest game on ISU's schedule every year. A rivalry? LOL. Doesn't a rivalry have to be reciprocal? Nebraska views this as a cupcake game 90 percent of the time. Calling that a "rivalry" game is like calling every game that Texas/OU plays a "rivalry" game to the other team. There is no rivalry there on the Nebraska end. It's a routine ISU ass-kicking.

And you're absolutely wrong about Iowa's biggest rival being OSU, Michigan or Penn State. Are those huge games when they're on the schedule? Sure. However, Iowa's chief rivals (no pun intended) in the Big Ten are Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Minnesota not so much lately, but Illinois and Wisconsin are the real big games that are guaranteed every year. There is even a traveling trophy between Wisco and Iowa now.

No, I'm right, your wrong.

[jegbomb52]

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Your momma's so ugly...

[TH1974]

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No, I'm right, your wrong.

Be proud -- you don't care about Iowa anyway, so it's no wonder you have no idea about who their 'rivals' are in the Big Ten.

[jegbomb52]

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Hey Panther Track, if you look I clearly I stated that it was a rivalry to ISU, not Nebraska. I never once stated that it was a "big rivalry" game to both teams. Your opinion of what a rivalry is is just that, your opinion. It doesn't make you right.

Wow, that is so funny. "you're just wrong"

I love how you represent the entire Hawkeye fan base, will you do everyone a favor and transfer back to Iowa? At least Newsy is cool every once and a while (no offense newsy) you just need to get a new song and dance.

you're just wrong. I think I am going to make that my signature.

No you're wrong, no YOU'RE wrong. Wow.

[06panther10]

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"dead wrong....." (former bills coach Marv Levy)

[panthertrack]

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Hey Panther Track, if you look I clearly I stated that it was a rivalry to ISU, not Nebraska. I never once stated that it was a "big rivalry" game to both teams. Your opinion of what a rivalry is is just that, your opinion. It doesn't make you right.

Wow, that is so funny. "you're just wrong"

I love how you represent the entire Hawkeye fan base, will you do everyone a favor and transfer back to Iowa? At least Newsy is cool every once and a while (no offense newsy) you just need to get a new song and dance.

you're just wrong. I think I am going to make that my signature.

No you're wrong, no YOU'RE wrong. Wow.

LOL. So when you can't match wits, you result to personal insults? That's par for the course on this board, I guess.

You were just wrong about who Iowa's rivals were. I didn't say I cheer for them (I don't) and I didn't say I care about them (I don't.)

You said it's a rivalry to one side. That isn't a rivalry in the definition of the word - do you see what I'm trying to teach you?

Iowa v. Ohio State is not a rivalry because Iowa is not and never will be on the level that Ohio State is. Ohio State doesn't give a rip about the Iowa game. Iowa can get as jacked up as they want and it doesn't make it a "rivalry." Get it? Now draw a parallel between Iowa/OSU and ISU/Nebby. Same thing. Get it?

I think of a "rivalry game" as one that there is actually reciprocal nature in - i.e., Iowa v. ISU, UNI v. SIU, Ohio State v. Michigan, Oklahoma v. Texas... see the difference? Games played every year that both teams jack up for.

I guess if you say the definition of a word is just someone's "opinion," I don't know what to tell you. We could argue about that all day if you see fit - but I want to give your brain a rest.

[jegbomb52]

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LOL. So when you can't match wits, you result to personal insults? That's par for the course on this board, I guess.

You were just wrong about who Iowa's rivals were. I didn't say I cheer for them (I don't) and I didn't say I care about them (I don't.)

You said it's a rivalry to one side. That isn't a rivalry in the definition of the word - do you see what I'm trying to teach you?

Iowa v. Ohio State is not a rivalry because Iowa is not and never will be on the level that Ohio State is. Ohio State doesn't give a rip about the Iowa game. Iowa can get as jacked up as they want and it doesn't make it a "rivalry." Get it? Now draw a parallel between Iowa/OSU and ISU/Nebby. Same thing. Get it?

I think of a "rivalry game" as one that there is actually reciprocal nature in - i.e., Iowa v. ISU, UNI v. SIU, Ohio State v. Michigan, Oklahoma v. Texas... see the difference? Games played every year that both teams jack up for.

I guess if you say the definition of a word is just someone's "opinion," I don't know what to tell you. We could argue about that all day if you see fit - but I want to give your brain a rest.

Where did I result to a personal insult? Please point it out? Thanks!

Just for the record that post was about you saying that I was "wrong." Nothing more, if you are talking about "matching wits" on a message board dude I can't help you there. I will say it might be time to move out of moms basement though. I will stop replying because I can't obviously "match wits" with the great panther track!

[dustin86]

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I think of a "rivalry game" as one that there is actually reciprocal nature in - i.e., Iowa v. ISU, UNI v. SIU, Ohio State v. Michigan, Oklahoma v. Texas... see the difference? Games played every year that both teams jack up for.

Sholdn't a team be jacked up for everygame that they play.

[panthertrack]

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Where did I result to a personal insult? Please point it out? Thanks!

The "Why don't you just transfer back?" showed a great amount of maturity.

I said you were wrong about who Iowa's rivals were. That's all. End of story.

[Newsbreaker]

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Part of the college experience is supporting your institution and becoming a fan of that school.

No, that was part of your college experience. It isn't necessary to every college experience. You need to stop believing that because you made a choice, and because it was the best choice for you, it follows logically that it is the best choice for everyone. You simply lack the perspective, the information, and the right to make such judgments.

The moral of the story here is that just because it was cool when you were a kid, doesn't make it cool now.

No, it doesn't. And just because many (most) students at a school choose to support that school doesn't "make it cool" either. Just because you chose to support your school in such a way doesn't "make it cool."

Beyond that, the analogy just doesn't work very well. My father probably collected baseball cards, and my uncles and neighbors all the same. When they grew up, we all stopped. Those same family members, neighbors and parents all supported a certain athletic team when I was a kid, and when they grew up, they kept doing so. So did I. It's a communal thing, it's a family thing, it's a social connection and shared interest people bond and gather around.

You grew up going to Hawkeye games with Dad. It's your time together. When it came time for college, either Iowa didn't have the major you wanted, or UNI simply was a better personal fit for you. Now you're going to give up that time with dad? Maybe, but maybe not. It's not your choice, it's the individual's choice.

I appreciate a student who can think on their own

While I fix the irony meter, you should think about whether you appreciate a student who can think for themselves, or one who thinks like you do. They aren't necessarily the same thing.

Not the school down the street that wasn't good enough for them to attend.

Don't you work in education? If so, you know this is nonsense. My choice to go to UNI had nothing to do with Iowa "not being good enough for [me] to attend." It had to do with UNI being a better fit, or having a program Iowa didn't, but it didn't have to do with something "not being good enough." When evaluating an institution to attend, the athletic teams ranked just below the color of the concrete they used in building their student union in terms of relative importance.

[TH1974]

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I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you here. Part of the college experience is supporting your institution and becoming a fan of that school.

People who say the cheer for Iowa now because, "I grew up a Hawkeye fan!" get the standard, "I used to collect baseball cards when I was kid too!" response for me.

The moral of the story here is that just because it was cool when you were a kid, doesn't make it cool now.

People don't grow up in Alabama a Tide fan, then go to Auburn and continue cheering for Alabama. If you go to Auburn...you're a Tiger.

I appreciate a student who can think on their own and have the sense to cheer for the college that they're paying to get an education from. Not the school down the street that wasn't good enough for them to attend.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this topic...but I'll never get your point of view, because I too grew up a Hawkeye fan, but when I reached adulthood...being a Panther and supporting my alma mater just made tons more sense to me.

All that is fine for you. I'm glad you're happy with the choice you made, but it isn't a universal thing that should apply to every college student everywhere.

Students are in college to further their education, not to be fans of the sports teams there. Athletics are a nice diversion for many students, and it's nice if they support the team at the school they attend, but in the big picture, they're not really that important. Students can decide for themselves whether rooting for one team over another is part of their college experience.

And your 'open mind' comment is the definition of hypocrisy.

[GonzoCat]

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I think UNI/Iowa State is a huge rivalry. Other than the fact we aren't in the same conference it has all the ingredients.

[Panther-Sheik]

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I don't think that this "discussion" is unique to UNI. I would venture to say that SIU or ISU(blue), or ISU(red) or almost all schools except SDSU and NDSU probably fight the same thing. I hate it, too, just for the record. But the fact is that the majority of their students too grew up watching a media blitz of almost all of the state schools except theirs. Doesn't mean we have to like it or "accept" it forever, but I do think going to another school and seeing a lack of student involvement shows this is universal. The question is, how do we get more student involvement so taht we have the best home field advantage possible?