Embarrassment 2

[JayJ79]

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You're not 'enlightening' anyone. As a joke, the all-you-can-drink proposal works. As a practical solution, it'll never happen.

cleaning up vomit is no fun for anyone.

[06panther10]

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If you dont think ISU and IOWA having big home games on the same weekend as UNI makes a difference in our attendace, you are kidding yourself. Alot of people go to those games. And comparing that to Wartburg is just rediculous.

[Newsbreaker]

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I'm not sure what football games on other campuses have to do with UNI having a home game. Wartburg had a huge rivalry game too. Did a bunch of UNI students head to Waverly? The "Iowa had a huge home game" conversation is a cop out for students who can't focus on the fact that they're Panthers now...not Hawkeyes or Cyclones.

I understand that being brough up Hawkeye is a huge deal in Iowa...but when you choose UNI for a university...I think you choose all that comes with it. Being a student at UNI makes you a Panther. Students should embrace that. Nothing says that they can't follow other teams and I am not trying to tell them what to do with their free time...but can't they visit Iowa City or Ames on away weekends? Is is THAT hard to stay on campus in Cedar Falls two weeks in a row?

It would be nice if they felt the same way you do, 23, but they are free to "be" whatever they choose to be. It'd be great if the fact that they chose to attend UNI means they automatically choose the Panthers over everything else, but that's not always the case, nor does anyone have the right to make the decision for them. They can and will do exactly as they please.

The fact that Iowa and ISU were hosting big rivalry games means (1)more students are likely to travel there and (2)more students are likely to spend their available "football" time for saturday on those "event" games. We should encourage them to show up to the Dome, we can be disappointed that they don't, but we can't pretend like we have any way to require it, nor can we say they're "wrong" when they don't.

[panthertrack]

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As the co-editor of the student paper's (Northern Iowan) sports section and a member of the cross country team how can you say that the student's shouldn't be partaking in their university's sporting events? Are you saying school spirit is unnecessary? Do you think it takes away from your credibility at your job at the NI?

I think that's kind of hypocritical of you.

That's not what I'm saying at all - and you're taking my comments quite out of context.

I encourage, greatly, that people support UNI athletics at every juncture - going to games/meets, wearing school colors, etc.

However, I'm also realistic and know better than to expect - and to get angry when it doesn't happen - people to attend every sporting event on campus.

People get extremely riled up that students don't put 100 percent effort into being a fan.... why? It's wasted energy(getting angry.)

[GonzoCat]

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That's exactly right. Nebraska might not feel the same way, but from ISU's perspective it is a huge game for them, which is all that matters in terms of fan interest and the effect it might have on us.

I understand it is a popular game with the fans. That's not the same as being a huge rivalry. As bad as Nebraska sucks now compared to the old days they are still light years ahead of perennial bottom of the conference ISU. Fans of both teams have to agree to make it a big rivalry.

Does it pull UNI students to Ames? I suppose it does if people say so. I never knew anyone who would leave CF on a saturday to go to Ames, but times have changed.

[clenz]

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I understand it is a popular game with the fans. That's not the same as being a huge rivalry. As bad as Nebraska sucks now compared to the old days they are still light years ahead of perennial bottom of the conference ISU. Fans of both teams have to agree to make it a big rivalry.

Does it pull UNI students to Ames? I suppose it does if people say so. I never knew anyone who would leave CF on a saturday to go to Ames, but times have changed.

Not nearly as many go to Ames as Iowa City, but a fair share do still go to Ames. Part of that could be classmates that go there, so they get a ticket from them. If those classmates went to Iowa, I'm sure they would be headed to Iowa City

[Newsbreaker]

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I understand it is a popular game with the fans. That's not the same as being a huge rivalry. As bad as Nebraska sucks now compared to the old days they are still light years ahead of perennial bottom of the conference ISU. Fans of both teams have to agree to make it a big rivalry.

Does it pull UNI students to Ames? I suppose it does if people say so. I never knew anyone who would leave CF on a saturday to go to Ames, but times have changed.

The primary draw is to Iowa City, I agree, but Nebraska in Ames is at least a minor factor, and there is no debate that Wisconsin is a big rivalry game for Iowa.

[TH1974]

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I'm not sure what football games on other campuses have to do with UNI having a home game. Wartburg had a huge rivalry game too. Did a bunch of UNI students head to Waverly? The "Iowa had a huge home game" conversation is a cop out for students who can't focus on the fact that they're Panthers now...not Hawkeyes or Cyclones.

I understand that being brough up Hawkeye is a huge deal in Iowa...but when you choose UNI for a university...I think you choose all that comes with it. Being a student at UNI makes you a Panther. Students should embrace that. Nothing says that they can't follow other teams and I am not trying to tell them what to do with their free time...but can't they visit Iowa City or Ames on away weekends? Is is THAT hard to stay on campus in Cedar Falls two weeks in a row?

They are whatever they want to be. Just because they go to school at UNI doesn't make them anything but UNI students. The can do whatever they want. You should stop "not trying to tell them what to do with their free time" and not tell them what to do with their free time.

[panthertrack]

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They are whatever they want to be. Just because they go to school at UNI doesn't make them anything but UNI students. The can do whatever they want. You should stop "not trying to tell them what to do with their free time" and not tell them what to do with their free time.

[jegbomb52]

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Part of the college experience is student involvement. IF (they do not have to) but IF they choose to follow a college football game on a Saturday afternoon it SHOULD be the football game at THEIR college. How do you think these football programs have so many fans? Now it is due to internet and other media's. When the "big 11" for example got so huge attendence wise it is because the 40 or 50 thousand students that go to school there went to games there. They graduated from there, and continued to follow THEIR school. That is what makes their stadiums today like cathedrals! That is what made college football so great to follow, students and alumni following THEIR school, not driving down the road 100 miles to follow another.

If people (students and alumni of UNI) have a problem with the "lack of big timeness" that UNI football is and choose to drive to Ames or Iowa City, they need to realize that they are the ones restricting growth! Don't try to justify it why students aren't here, try to think of ways to promote them coming.

Oh ya, ASS.

[jegbomb52]

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The primary draw is to Iowa City, I agree, but Nebraska in Ames is at least a minor factor, and there is no debate that Wisconsin is a big rivalry game for Iowa.

Keep in mind, I am just talking about the rivalry between these schools as Iowa and Iowa State are concerned, not Wisconsin and Nebraska. Iowa might very possibly be a huge game for Wisconsin, I just don't think Wisconsin is as "high up" on Iowa's list of rivalries as Nebraska is to ISU.

Nebraska is the biggest rivalry in the Big 12 for Iowa State.
Wisconsin is 3rd or 4th on the list for Iowa behind probably OSU, MEEECHIGAN, PSU, Minnesota.

So, take your Hawkeye Elitism some where else. You DIDN'T have the biggest rivalry in the state that day according to home state fans. I really hope that you are smart enough to admit that.

Sorry, ASS.

[Newsbreaker]

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Keep in mind, I am just talking about the rivalry between these schools as Iowa and Iowa State are concerned, not Wisconsin and Nebraska. Iowa might very possibly be a huge game for Wisconsin, I just don't think Wisconsin is as "high up" on Iowa's list of rivalries as Nebraska is to ISU.

Nebraska is the biggest rivalry in the Big 12 for Iowa State.
Wisconsin is 3rd or 4th on the list for Iowa behind probably OSU, MEEECHIGAN, PSU, Minnesota.

So, take your Hawkeye Elitism some where else. You DIDN'T have the biggest rivalry in the state that day according to home state fans. I really hope that you are smart enough to admit that.

Sorry, ASS.

As usual, there is no place for cursing and an unprovoked attack. Keep the blood from surging to your forehead everytime you see my name and try and be adult.

Wisconsin, Illinois and Minnesota are Iowa's largest rivals. Wisconsin and Minnesota are their guaranteed yearly "rivalry" games that never leave the schedule. If you get into certain portions of the state, particularly Dubuque and the towns north of there along the Mississippi, Wisconsin is the rivalry and it's not close. Ohio State and Michigan are "rivalry" games in the same what that Texas is a "rivalry" game for everyone in the Big XII, but that doesn't diminish the importance of those natural, geographic rivalries.

To answer an earlier post, a great case can be made for TV and Radio being the 'cause' of Iowa's popularity. It's a small Big Ten University, and the 70,000+ there 6 or 7 times a year aren't all alumni. I have very little experience with other Big Ten schools (or Big XII), but while alumni are important, they don't tell the whole story.

[jegbomb52]

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News, please don't think I was calling you an ass. I have vowed to use the word ass in all of my posts until November 1 in reaction to Bison Fan's use of the word ass and lack of punishment for it. I was apologizing for not using the word ass, not telling you sorry, and calling you an ass. Just wanted to clarify.

I understand that the media has a great deal to do with the large following the hawkeyes have in our state, my point was just to let you know that it all STARTS with students and allumni. Somwhere, way back when, a large majority of people in the seats were alumni or students. Thats all I am saying.

[Newsbreaker]

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My fault, jeg. I apologize, I thought that was directed at me.

[TH1974]

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Part of the college experience is student involvement. IF (they do not have to) but IF they choose to follow a college football game on a Saturday afternoon it SHOULD be the football game at THEIR college.

It SHOULD be whichever game they choose to follow. It doesn't HAVE to be any specific school.