Zach Davis

[06panther10]

Re: Zach Davis

This is dumb. Grace is the better QB at this time. Our offense is so much better with him in it.

[CatsRule04]

Re: Zach Davis

But anyway, why stop with just 2? We could have Grace and Davis in the backfield, with Vic Williams and DP Eyman as recievers and have FOUR quarterbacks

Don't forget Caleb Walter. That makes 5. He can throw the ball just a little bit himself....

(to avert any over zealous replies.....it is a joke....it is a joke...it is a joke...)

[Alum 99']

Re: Zach Davis

The question now is if you start Grace this week and the offense sputters....when do you pull him and go to Davis....or down the road if we play a team we can't run against...do you pull Grace and put in Davis

[LuvThePanthers]

Re: Zach Davis

This is dumb. Grace is the better QB at this time. Our offense is so much better with him in it.

Interesting that you dismiss this conversation as "dumb" and that "our offense is so much better with him (PG) in it". You give no rationale for your argument so here is some food for thought:

In games PG started the team is 5-2 (0-2 on the road )and his completion percentage is 60.8. 3rd down conversions are 30-99 or 33% and time of possession averages 32.14. Additionally C-Lew has averaged 5.03 yds per attempt and D-Law has averaged 4.0 yards per attempt.

In games ZD started the team is 2-0 (2-0 on the road) and his completion percentage is 64.3. 3rd down conversions are 19-37 or 51% and time of possession averages 35.45. In those games C-Lew has averaged 5.3 yards per attempt and D-Law has averaged 4.3 yards per attempt.

So, statistically, by win loss percentage, by road production, and all the other statistics cited this doesn't seem to be such a "dumb" conversation.

Obviously the coaches know what best fits their team and they will make the decision but I personally find this conversation quite intriguing and truly believe an argument can be made for both of these fine players.

[clenz]

Re: Zach Davis

Interesting that you dismiss this conversation as "dumb" and that "our offense is so much better with him (PG) in it". You give no rationale for your argument so here is some food for thought:

In games PG started the team is 5-2 (0-2 on the road )and his completion percentage is 60.8. 3rd down conversions are 30-99 or 33% and time of possession averages 32.14. Additionally C-Lew has averaged 5.03 yds per attempt and D-Law has averaged 4.0 yards per attempt.

In games ZD started the team is 2-0 (2-0 on the road) and his completion percentage is 64.3. 3rd down conversions are 19-37 or 51% and time of possession averages 35.45. In those games C-Lew has averaged 5.3 yards per attempt and D-Law has averaged 4.3 yards per attempt.

So, statistically, by win loss percentage, by road production, and all the other statistics cited this doesn't seem to be such a "dumb" conversation.

Obviously the coaches know what best fits their team and they will make the decision but I personally find this conversation quite intriguing and truly believe an argument can be made for both of these fine players.

Davis doesn't lead us to a win in Provo or Carbondale either though...I don't believe.

[FerociousCat]

Re: Zach Davis

#13 Grace, Pat Att Comp Int Pct Yards TD Long Sack-Yds Effic
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Brigham Young......... 18 11 0 61.1 112 0 30 1-8 113.38
South Dakota.......... 14 10 2 71.4 130 2 32 1-14 168.00
South Dakota State.... 20 12 1 60.0 200 2 33 1-3 167.00
Southern Illinois..... 22 12 1 54.5 123 1 24 2-19 107.42
Nicholls State........ 15 9 1 60.0 152 1 36 0-0 153.79
Illinois State........ 18 13 0 72.2 238 2 62 0-0 219.96
North Dakota State.... 23 12 0 52.2 149 1 35 2-21 120.94
TOTALS................ 130 79 5 60.8 1104 9 62 7-65 147.26

#17 Davis, Zach Att Comp Int Pct Yards TD Long Sack-Yds Effic
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Brigham Young......... 6 5 0 83.3 25 0 12 0-0 118.33
North Dakota State.... 1 1 0 100.0 7 0 7 0-0 158.80
Youngstown State...... 28 17 1 60.7 162 1 32 2-17 113.96
Western Illinois...... 21 13 0 61.9 191 1 47 2-13 154.02
TOTALS................ 56 36 1 64.3 385 2 47 4-30 130.25

PG13 also has rushed for 49.1 ypg & 7 TD's...ZD only 4.5 ypg & 0 TD's...

[LuvThePanthers]

Re: Zach Davis

Let me say again, just for clarification, that I am not arguing for or against either of these guys being the starter, I believe they both have strengths and weaknesses. I just don't think the conversation should be dismissed as "dumb" or "obvious" when indeed it's really a great item for banter when viewed objectively!!

[06panther10]

Re: Zach Davis

Like I said before, we have some of the best coaches in the country. And you can be sure that they will have Pat as the starter the first day that his knee is 100%.

[BCPanther]

Re: Zach Davis

Davis doesn't lead us to a win in Provo or Carbondale either though...I don't believe.

I am going to disagree on Carbondale. I am not guaranteeing we win, but with the way ZD has taken care of the ball, I am not sure we turn it over 5 times...

[06panther10]

Re: Zach Davis

Let me say again, just for clarification, that I am not arguing for or against either of these guys being the starter, I believe they both have strengths and weaknesses. I just don't think the conversation should be dismissed as "dumb" or "obvious" when indeed it's really a great item for banter when viewed objectively!!

It IS obvious. If you really watched every game this year you would say the same thing. I would bet you anything that if you asked opposing coaches who they would rather face, it surely would not be Pat. If you watched the last two games you would also see that Davis made quite a few bad passes that just happened to not be picked off. He has a lot of potential, but Grace is ready to play now.

[06panther10]

Re: Zach Davis

I am going to disagree on Carbondale. I am not guaranteeing we win, but with the way ZD has taken care of the ball, I am not sure we turn it over 5 times...

If Zach is in, does Corey Lewis not fumble the football on the one yard line? Because that was the defining play of that game.

[clenz]

Re: Zach Davis

I am going to disagree on Carbondale. I am not guaranteeing we win, but with the way ZD has taken care of the ball, I am not sure we turn it over 5 times...

I can't fault Grace for that loss, or the CLEW fumble at the 4.

Or that final fumble, from the sound of it it was a missed block on the back side and that guy stripped Grace from the back side.

We will never know though

[JayJ79]

Re: Zach Davis

Both quarterbacks are good.
Yes, they both have areas where they can improve,
but they're both good.

I feel comfortable with whoever the coaches decide to play.
(which will be Grace when he is healthy enough. With Davis most likely getting plenty of playing time in the second halves.)

[Blue42]

Re: Zach Davis

I watched the replay of the Youngstown State game on Mediacom the other day.

I was really blown away by how Zach Davis through the ball. He made some impressive throws from in the pocket and on the move. He's going to be quite a QB.

After seeing that game, I really have no reservations with him starting at QB.

I'm a Grace fan as well. But there's no real drop off in overall ability between them.

[LuvThePanthers]

Re: Zach Davis

It IS obvious. If you really watched every game this year you would say the same thing. I would bet you anything that if you asked opposing coaches who they would rather face, it surely would not be Pat. If you watched the last two games you would also see that Davis made quite a few bad passes that just happened to not be picked off. He has a lot of potential, but Grace is ready to play now.

Apparently it's "obvious" only to YOU and since you seem to be of the opinion that you are much smarter than anyone else posting here who would we be to disagree with your superior intellect. And I have watched every game, start to finish including the replays on Sunday nights and have enjoyed watching both qb's play. But again, I guess we should all bow to your superior knowledge of the game, and just admit the "obvious".