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    Kicking Game and Special Teams

    New article in the Register today has it sounding like Farley was less than pleased about the special teams performance on Saturday. Not surprising, since Farley is rarely glowing and full of compliments after a game. But this quote raised my eyebrows a little bit...

    "It's all personnel," Farley said of the special teams shortcomings. "We need to get the right guys on the field, get them in the right spot, get a good kick. It all comes down to the kicker. If we tell you to kick it somewhere, kick it there and give us some hang time.

    Full article here: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...095/SPORTS0207
    EVER LOYAL.
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  • #2
    Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

    that does seem unusual that he would single out one person for criticism

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    • #3
      Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

      Let's all be honest. Special teams and kick coverage has been a troublesome spot this year. SIU takes the opening kickoff for a touchdown and giving up lots of big returns so far this year. Those big returns turn into a short field and most likely into points. The special teams and coverage units need to get on top of there game.
      Coach Whisenhunt 1/18/09. "There was never any complaints about not being named the starter, all he wanted was an opportunity and he took advantage of it. Kurt is probably one of the greatest individuals you'll ever meet. Kurt worked hard on a lot of things that a lot of times older quarterbacks aren't willing to do. That's a credit to his humility and his competitive drive, and the reason that we are here today in great part is what Kurt Warner has done for us."

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        Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

        Originally posted by merkpanthers View Post
        Let's all be honest. Special teams and kick coverage has been a troublesome spot this year. SIU takes the opening kickoff for a touchdown and giving up lots of big returns so far this year. Those big returns turn into a short field and most likely into points. The special teams and coverage units need to get on top of there game.
        no doubt.
        But it's odd for him to single out one player (in the media, at least).
        especially when in the courier article, he gave this quote:
        "There's a lot of things going on within the dynamics of that deal, so it's not just one person," Farley said Monday.

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        • #5
          Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

          very true, it is odd that he singled out one player
          Coach Whisenhunt 1/18/09. "There was never any complaints about not being named the starter, all he wanted was an opportunity and he took advantage of it. Kurt is probably one of the greatest individuals you'll ever meet. Kurt worked hard on a lot of things that a lot of times older quarterbacks aren't willing to do. That's a credit to his humility and his competitive drive, and the reason that we are here today in great part is what Kurt Warner has done for us."

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          • #6
            Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

            Remember, this IS the DM Ragister so it's possible he was misquoted.
            "They keep saying that what really matters is not whether you win or lose, but how you played the game. The trouble is that the best way to determine how you played the game is by whether you won or lost." - Anonymous

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            • #7
              Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

              The video of the coaches lunch is up for those who subscribe to the web package, though its a bit of a task to get to for whatever reason.

              Judge for yourself. However, I think they nabbed a portion of a stream of consciousness regarding the kickoffs and coverage. Net net was that Farley was NOT happy. He is talking about putting starters in to play coverage.

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              • #8
                Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

                As he should, starters in on coverage= 7-1 right now instead of 6-2. Un-fortunately, Coach Farley has not quite grasped the concept of treating kickers and punters like the "fragile" (don't rip on me) people they are. The kicking game in college football is so much different mentally than any other position. No other position on the field has as much negative pressure on it. If a QB starts a game 2-4 no one bats an eye. If a kicker goes 2-4 on field goals rip him out and find someone new. If a QB throws a ball over a receiver and it skips through the end zone its "no big deal", when a long snapper does it, it "costs them the game" (ala Pittsburgh on Sunday). Specialists are a different bread. It is important to instill confidence in a specialist. Not call them out in the media. There is nothing our kicker could have done to change the game at Youngstown. I really don't think people understand how much moving the kickoff line back five yards changed the game of football.
                Illinois State Fan at a St. Louis White Castle 3:45AM Saturday March 6th:

                "White Castle?" "more like Black Castle..."

                You stay classy Redbirds.

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                • #9
                  Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

                  Originally posted by jegbomb52 View Post
                  As he should, starters in on coverage= 7-1 right now instead of 6-2. Un-fortunately, Coach Farley has not quite grasped the concept of treating kickers and punters like the "fragile" (don't rip on me) people they are. The kicking game in college football is so much different mentally than any other position. No other position on the field has as much negative pressure on it. If a QB starts a game 2-4 no one bats an eye. If a kicker goes 2-4 on field goals rip him out and find someone new. If a QB throws a ball over a receiver and it skips through the end zone its "no big deal", when a long snapper does it, it "costs them the game" (ala Pittsburgh on Sunday). Specialists are a different bread. It is important to instill confidence in a specialist. Not call them out in the media. There is nothing our kicker could have done to change the game at Youngstown. I really don't think people understand how much moving the kickoff line back five yards changed the game of football.
                  I doubt Coach Farley needs instruction from us about grasping any aspect of football.
                  Some people feel the rain..........others just get wet.
                  Bob Dylan, 1941-

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                  • #10
                    Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

                    Even if he did, I wonder where he would get it from........
                    Illinois State Fan at a St. Louis White Castle 3:45AM Saturday March 6th:

                    "White Castle?" "more like Black Castle..."

                    You stay classy Redbirds.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

                      Didn't Billy kick one through the Up-Rights against Nicholls State? Was there a penalty before that kick? I think he has the strength, but not the height...

                      I think we should just kick away. We are having enough problems with the pouching strategy.
                      "We're not an ordinary school," said Fort. "We have tradition. We have a good team year after year. We rebuild, and it doesn't matter who we have coming back."

                      dti

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                      • #12
                        Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

                        Originally posted by Chitown Panther View Post
                        Didn't Billy kick one through the Up-Rights against Nicholls State? Was there a penalty before that kick? I think he has the strength, but not the height...
                        He was kicking from the 45 yard line in that instance.
                        There had been a 15 yard penalty (roughing the kicker, I think) on the extra point attempt, which was assessed on the kickoff.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

                          Originally posted by JayJ79 View Post
                          He was kicking from the 45 yard line in that instance.
                          There had been a 15 yard penalty (roughing the kicker, I think) on the extra point attempt, which was assessed on the kickoff.
                          So in the Dome he is capable of kicking into the endzone by my thoughts.....15 yard penalty and thru the endzone and uprights makes up the diff.

                          Just maybe in the cross wind or into wind he struggles....

                          I say kick deep.
                          "We're not an ordinary school," said Fort. "We have tradition. We have a good team year after year. We rebuild, and it doesn't matter who we have coming back."

                          dti

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                          • #14
                            Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

                            jeg has it right about the mentality of kickers

                            As for Billy's strength, I don't know that he can consistently kick into the endzone, but he does a nice job of getting it inside the ten and usually the five.

                            What's different this year from last is the coverage unit. Last year we had Josh Mahoney and Jamar Thompson leading the kick coverage with Dameko Brennan being the wedge buster. This year, Brennan is gone and Mahoney and Thompson are starting LB's. I am not sure anyone has stepped up as wedge buster and we have true freshman LJ Fort and Quentin Scott covering the roles of Thompson and Mahoney. We need to get it fixed and I trust Farley to do that.

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                              Re: Kicking Game and Special Teams

                              Originally posted by Khan4Cats View Post
                              jeg has it right about the mentality of kickers

                              As for Billy's strength, I don't know that he can consistently kick into the endzone, but he does a nice job of getting it inside the ten and usually the five.

                              What's different this year from last is the coverage unit. Last year we had Josh Mahoney and Jamar Thompson leading the kick coverage with Dameko Brennan being the wedge buster. This year, Brennan is gone and Mahoney and Thompson are starting LB's. I am not sure anyone has stepped up as wedge buster and we have true freshman LJ Fort and Quentin Scott covering the roles of Thompson and Mahoney. We need to get it fixed and I trust Farley to do that.
                              Trust in Farley is a good thing.
                              Some people feel the rain..........others just get wet.
                              Bob Dylan, 1941-

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