re-watching the UNH game

[Panther-at-Arms]

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I've been reading the UNH fans and players reactions to the game on AGS and in the press, and I'm getting a little tired of them making a big deal about the "sloppy" play. UNH, prior to the playoffs, had an excellent turnover ratio. They attributed this to their excellent defense. They play SIU and us and turn the ball over left and right, but none of this is attributed to OUR defense? Seems to me we've been touting our opportunistic defense all year...why is anyone surprised the 'Cats turned the ball over just like all our other opponents?

[UNIAlum95]

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I personally would have even if we had scored a touchdown and went up 13 at half.

Amen to that. You have a 240lb QB. Use him. Plus they still had a TO. The same thing happened earlier when they tried a sweep to CLew and lost 4 yards. They then let Pat call the keeper up the middle for 5. I did not understand those calls. Go with your strength.

[P. compressa]

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Now bear with me on this. Was it second down? I was trying to listen on the online radio feed and it kept breaking up on me. Amazing how our opponents can get their feeds to work and somehow our athletic department continually hires and contracts incompetent providers to provide online coverage ...bush league

Sorry I digressed. If it was 2nd down and you have one time out left you throw the ball. Hopefully your QB throws it away if the play is not there.

Why you throw the ball. An incomplete pass stops the clock leaving you with a time out to call after the 3rd down play. Then the defense must be ready for both a pass or run because you have a timeout left.

If you run and use your timeout you must then pass on third down (and the defense know s this) and if the QB gets sacked or if he scrambles and is just short you walk away with nothing.

On second down inside the 5 with less than a minute left and one timeout you pass the ball. It is the right call. The QB must be willing to the throw the ball out of the end zone. IF it was third down then I agree with the complaining

[jegbomb52]

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It was second down, and it was the wrong call.

I haven't seen you around much man, are you going to be a "you are wrong" "I am right" kind of poster?

[bobsboy84]

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Now bear with me on this.* Was it second down?* I was trying to listen on the online radio feed and it kept breaking up on me.* Amazing how our opponents can get their feeds to work and somehow our athletic department continually hires and contracts incompetent providers to provide online coverage ...bush leagueSorry I digressed.* If it was 2nd down and you have one time out left you throw the ball.* Hopefully your QB throws it away if the play is not there.Why you throw the ball.* An incomplete pass stops the clock leaving you with a time out to call after the 3rd down play.* Then the defense must be ready for both a pass or run because you have a timeout left.If you run and use your timeout you must then pass on third down (and the defense know s this) and if the QB gets sacked or if he scrambles and is just short you walk away with nothing.On second down inside the 5 with less than a minute left and one timeout you pass the ball.* It is the right call.* The QB must be willing to the throw the ball out of the end zone.* IF it was third down then I agree with the complaining

I agree with your thinking.* However, I say put it on our (very capable) Oline to get one yard on two running plays.* Grace sneak once or twice (if needed) and we score with less likeliness of mishap on our part. It is easy from the cheap seats. I love these message boards that mean "nothing to nobody."We wouldn't be as consistently successful as we are if Farley, Salmon, and rest staff weren't very knowledgable and professional. Much more so than any of us goofy fan message board posters....whoops, sorry, I should only speak for myself.

[CincyPanther88]

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Now bear with me on this. Was it second down? I was trying to listen on the online radio feed and it kept breaking up on me. Amazing how our opponents can get their feeds to work and somehow our athletic department continually hires and contracts incompetent providers to provide online coverage ...bush league

Sorry I digressed. If it was 2nd down and you have one time out left you throw the ball. Hopefully your QB throws it away if the play is not there.

Why you throw the ball. An incomplete pass stops the clock leaving you with a time out to call after the 3rd down play. Then the defense must be ready for both a pass or run because you have a timeout left.

If you run and use your timeout you must then pass on third down (and the defense know s this) and if the QB gets sacked or if he scrambles and is just short you walk away with nothing.

On second down inside the 5 with less than a minute left and one timeout you pass the ball. It is the right call. The QB must be willing to the throw the ball out of the end zone. IF it was third down then I agree with the complaining

If they had ran the ball and didn't get into the end zone, they could have called a time out and attempted a field goal since there wasn't enough time to run another play. As it was, not only did they not score but they gave up a touchdown. Now if someone had fumbled and NH had ran it all the way back, I'm sure people would have complained that they didn't throw the ball. But if they fumbled, chances are NH wouldn't have ran it back 98 yards.

Now if you absolutely had to throw the ball there, throwing into a mess of NH defenders probably wasn't the best play. Throwing something in the corner or the back of the end zone would have been a better pass play. If it's picked off it's a touchback. If it's incomplete you could kick it.

[bigticket]

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not sure if i've seen this talked about here, but in the 4th quarter how in the heck was NH not called for offsides on that 3rd down play? from my seat, that looked pretty obvious.

[Chitown Panther]

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The series before Grace threw the INT and when he fumbled....he was completely winded. He was huffing and puffing so hard it was silly. So we called a running play (QB Keep) and he fumbles. Why don't we go under center and just hand it off to Law?


Then we make UNH goe 3 and out. We get the ball with great field position at the 1 or 2.....and we still can't run Law up the middle.

I don't get it.

Kinda goes back to running the reverse against NDSU inside the 5....

I don't want to talk about Delaware....

[P. compressa]

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It was second down, and it was the wrong call.

I haven't seen you around much man, are you going to be a "you are wrong" "I am right" kind of poster?

Not always, just most of the time

you see I coached this 11-12 year old football team this past year that makes me an expert we actually won a couple of games

Actually someone else posted that there was only time for two plays anyway. In that case I would have run it.

But basic football theory, as taught in the course taught at UNI in the 90's taught by the two head guys who are there now. Showed me that when one timeout is left you try to make sure on the last play you still have both options of run and pass. Therefore you pass on 2nd and have the option of both on third. Then stop the clock and kick on fourth.

That being said it implies there is time for three plays.
I had no clue how much time was left on the clock because UNI cannot get a online feed provider that is not incompetent.

Been around for a long time, rarely post because I rarely find the need to. I just keep hearing how it was an awful call and the information I had made it sound like a by the book call. Now if there was only time for 2 plays then it could be considered a bad call.

[P. compressa]

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If they had ran the ball and didn't get into the end zone, they could have called a time out and attempted a field goal since there wasn't enough time to run another play. As it was, not only did they not score but they gave up a touchdown. Now if someone had fumbled and NH had ran it all the way back, I'm sure people would have complained that they didn't throw the ball. But if they fumbled, chances are NH wouldn't have ran it back 98 yards.

Now if you absolutely had to throw the ball there, throwing into a mess of NH defenders probably wasn't the best play. Throwing something in the corner or the back of the end zone would have been a better pass play. If it's picked off it's a touchback. If it's incomplete you could kick it.

I didn't know this was the case. People had just said there was under a minute left and it was second down. If there is only time for 2 plays then it is essentially third down and I would have run the ball too.

[Panther-Sheik]

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Postgame with Rima, Farley admitted some "stupid" calls made during the game (kinda funny how he ripped on himself). He pointed out the 51 yard field goal, too. Anyway, it is all OK now and thankfully we get to learn by those "mistakes" and live to play another day.

[Panther-at-Arms]

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Hey, as long as we don't take a knee with 3 TO's and 1:30 on the clock to take it into overtime....

[JayJ79]

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Now bear with me on this. Was it second down? I was trying to listen on the online radio feed and it kept breaking up on me. Amazing how our opponents can get their feeds to work and somehow our athletic department continually hires and contracts incompetent providers to provide online coverage ...bush league

Sorry I digressed. If it was 2nd down and you have one time out left you throw the ball. Hopefully your QB throws it away if the play is not there.

Why you throw the ball. An incomplete pass stops the clock leaving you with a time out to call after the 3rd down play. Then the defense must be ready for both a pass or run because you have a timeout left.

If you run and use your timeout you must then pass on third down (and the defense know s this) and if the QB gets sacked or if he scrambles and is just short you walk away with nothing.

On second down inside the 5 with less than a minute left and one timeout you pass the ball. It is the right call. The QB must be willing to the throw the ball out of the end zone. IF it was third down then I agree with the complaining

There was only like 12 seconds left on the clock after the ball was spiked.
Not enough time to run 3 plays. (yes, it's POSSIBLE, but you can't count on it, not on the college level)

[Jonsoup]

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anybody of recorded copy of the game? I would like to watch it again with my father as we were unable to make it back for the game.

[JayJ79]

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After UNH's flea-flicker touchdown, they failed to score the extra point.
Was it partially blocked?

I didn't realize it at the time, or during the first time through watching the tape.
But upon further review, it looks like one of the officials is making the signal that the ball was tipped.

Unless he's signalling something else.